Heir change

[Sam L]

Quick question. So my son was the heir to the Byzantine Empire and his mother's Russian Empire. But when she died he became Russian Basileus but he is no longer my heir my second son is the heir to Byzantine Empire. Why is this? Is this because of the Crown laws of Russia? Because Byzantine Empire has low CA.

 

[Vindahl]

I dont know what the Basileus title is, but if it is a religious title he gains, he will no longer be heir to the worldly titles...

 

[unmerged(494787)]

Basileus is the Byzantine Emperor. As for why he's no longer heir, he might have (if you arranged it that way) lost the Despot title upon leaving the ERE, thus leaving a son Born in Purple ahead of him in succession for the ERE. Crown laws should only prevent vassal titles from leaving the realm, they wouldn't prevent them from entering it (when applicable), and neither title here is a vassal title.

 

[Sam L]

Basileus is the Byzantine Emperor. As for why he's no longer heir, he might have (if you arranged it that way) lost the Despot title upon leaving the ERE, thus leaving a son Born in Purple ahead of him in succession for the ERE. Crown laws should only prevent vassal titles from leaving the realm, they wouldn't prevent them from entering it (when applicable), and neither title here is a vassal title.

He was Despot of Italy before his mother died. I'm pretty sure he still holds that title. Unless if that title reverted back to me. Let me check.

 

[Sam L]

I just checked. He's still the Despot of Italy. He has no claim on the Byzantine Empire either. How can you go from being the heir to not even having a claim? Is this a bug?

 

[Gqarz]

Need more information. What are the respective crown laws of both realms? Is one of your children "born in the purple" and not the other? If one has high or higher crown law, then there is a possibility that he would not be able to inherit both titles. Also, I believe that it is impossible to hold two imperial titles, though I could be wrong.

 

[perpetualmuse]

Need more information. What are the respective crown laws of both realms? Is one of your children "born in the purple" and not the other? If one has high or higher crown law, then there is a possibility that he would not be able to inherit both titles. Also, I believe that it is impossible to hold two imperial titles, though I could be wrong.

It's not impossible to hold two Empire titles unless it was changed in patch 1.07. This regularly happens in my games.

 

[Sam L]

Need more information. What are the respective crown laws of both realms? Is one of your children "born in the purple" and not the other? If one has high or higher crown law, then there is a possibility that he would not be able to inherit both titles. Also, I believe that it is impossible to hold two imperial titles, though I could be wrong.

The first son was not born in purple because he was born before LOR. The second son was born in purple. I thought this was the explanation BUT why did it have the first son as the heir the entire time and when his mother passes away, he's not the heir anymore?

 

[faati]

in byzantine empire, born in purple child is the first heir to the throne. but if you award your older child as honorary despot he became the heir. this is different than the despot of italy, which means king of italy, which is not an honorary title.

when your child became russian emperor he loses despot title, thats why he is not the first heir now.

 

[Sam L]

in byzantine empire, born in purple child is the first heir to the throne. but if you award your older child as honorary despot he became the heir. this is different than the despot of italy, which means king of italy, which is not an honorary title.

when your child became russian emperor he loses despot title, thats why he is not the first heir now.

Yes but WHY did it say that he was the heir? I didn't do anything because it said he was the heir. So if I had died first instead of my wife, would he have become Emperor?
It's not consistent. That's what I'm saying.

 

[faati]

Yes but WHY did it say that he was the heir? I didn't do anything because it said he was the heir. So if I had died first instead of my wife, would he have become Emperor?
It's not consistent. That's what I'm saying.

did you give that son "despot" honorary title?

if not it might be a bug, i saw similar bugs with this patch.

 

[Sam L]

did you give that son "despot" honorary title?

Actually I don't think the option was available because I read something about how you can do that but I didn't worry because he was still my heir.

 

[Westernesse]

Generally speaking if you run Primogeniture, ERE has the best inheritance system because it basically allows you to nominate a successor by giving them the Despot honorary title. Once you have a born in purple son they become heir, but if you give out despot title that person becomes your chosen successor. The catch is that if your son inherits land from his mother outside of the empire that is a higher tier title than his current one he might lose the despot title, if you give him a king title, this can only happen if he inherits an emperor level title.

You basically hit a fringe case where he became emperor left your realm and lost the honorary title. You could solve this by killing your born in purple sons so so he inherits or by switching to elective (prob the better choice).

 

[Sam L]

Generally speaking if you run Primogeniture, ERE has the best inheritance system because it basically allows you to nominate a successor by giving them the Despot honorary title. Once you have a born in purple son they become heir, but if you give out despot title that person becomes your chosen successor. The catch is that if your son inherits land from his mother outside of the empire that is a higher tier title than his current one he might lose the despot title, if you give him a king title, this can only happen if he inherits an emperor level title.

You basically hit a fringe case where he became emperor left your realm and lost the honorary title. You could solve this by killing your born in purple sons so so he inherits or by switching to elective (prob the better choice).

I was running Gavelkind. Thanks I think that explains it. I think it was because of the inheritance of Russia from his mother. There's like 5 other sons that first option isn't going to happen. I can't go elective either because everything is greyed out. I'll have to have a look at the reasons.

 

[The_Blind_One]

Yes but WHY did it say that he was the heir? I didn't do anything because it said he was the heir. So if I had died first instead of my wife, would he have become Emperor?
It's not consistent. That's what I'm saying.

I take it when he was despot of italy, he was also your vassal but is no longer as ruler of russia?

if that is the case and he is no longer your vassal, your other child with BiP will succeed first.

Giving any kind of title to your progeny will increase their standing and dynastic position. Thus making your first born son without the BiP trait the italian despot under byzantine rule, qualifies him to supercede his younger brother with the BiP. However since he no longer is a vassal of the byzantine empire as russian emperor, he no longer gains favourable standing and dynastic privilege. Thus if he isn't your vassal, he'll be skipped for the younger son WITH BiP.

Normaly in elective monarchy it is impossible to elect your grandson if their father is still alive. You can bypass this by granting any title to the grandson that is higher than the fathers. (father is duke, you give grandson a kingdom)