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Only need China and we have at least 1 for the important nations xD

@Takeo92 When we play a little bit more sandbox-like, why is france only optional?
 

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I am german but i dont have interest in this^^

Sry :(
Why not, it will be fun :p

And if you realy have no interest, why you even post? That's the proof that you want to fight as a german general!
 
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When we have 2 people, who want to play as Spain, we could make a better civil-war ^^ On of them can play the Rep. and the other guy the nationalists ^^ Thos would add some flavour ;)
The losing party later can join an Allied ^^

@DiegoVaz I'm not sure if you can play any Country, because we need enough people for the major and have a limit of players for the MP round

If Rep loses, he should join France.
And if Nat loses, he should join Italy.
 

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Ok, if every individual leader is going to set the rules for his own country, then since I am the President of the United States, this is what I am ready to offer to anyone interested in joining the armed forces of the United States for the roleplay multiplayer campaign:


Offer of the United States of America


1) There will be up to but no more than 5 members in the United States government:


One will be the President (me) and the other four members will be Field Marshalls/Grand Admirals charged with operating an specific theatre of war. Perhaps one will focus in Europe, another in Asia, another in the Pacific and finally another in the Middle East & Africa. Although this will be ultimately decided depending on what the 5 members agree before the campaign starts.

The President will be of equal standing to the rest of the members but will have a bit more authority in aspects such as diplomacy and production than the rest (Primus inter Pares) and will reserve for himself power of action for all land & air operations concerning the Western Hemisphere and must have a small and elite strike force available at all times to be deployed at his personal discretion. Nobody but the President can command the Elite Rapid Strike Force except under reasonable request.



2) The leadership will rotate every 3 years:


We will choose a president after 1 round of voting after every 3 years, so as to give everyone a chance to shine and go after the glory. An exception to this democratic rule will be if the United States finds itself threatened existentially, in which case Martial Law will be declared and the President given dictatorial powers until the crisis is over and stability restored once again.



3) There will be a democratic War Council:


We will decide all operations in a joint manner, even if it does not belong to our specific theatre of command. This is to have more point of views on a given situation and act with the most information available to us. This will also keep in check any single member from dominating the entire conduct of the war to keep a balanced outlook and so that strategies can be reviewed and commented upon by multiple minds before they are actually executed in the ground. Think of it like a General Headquarter for operations.



4) Brilliant strategic minds wanted (naval & logistic traits):


I am a hardcore Very Hard-only HOI player which means I will be able to hold my ground and then some. I have experience with organizing and coordinating large groups to achieve a particular objective. For these reasons, I would prefer that those interested in joining the United States have some prior solid experience in how to play HOI. What I especially need, is players who are very knowledgeable on how to operate naval assets (as that is one of my low points) and who are versed in the art of logistics and supplies. I make these specific requests because the very own nature of the United States as a trans-oceanic world power demands that the people in charge know how to keep its coast and overseas supply lines secure.


Take your time to think over the generous offer and if you think you fit the profile, please post in this thread what position you desire within the U.S. government for the MP session. Takeo92 will add it to the OP.

Remember, my platform will be about power sharing and closely coordinated strategy between us the players. Choose well and join Uncle Sam!


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edit: Thank you Takeo for accepting the 1936 date. I can see this will be the beginning of a very cool campaign.

You. I like you.
 
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Please no. Many players will probably not go along with it if you insist on this.

Well, its my thing what kind of pictures i use. Picture changes do not change the game version, at least they didnt before - and i would only use a "legal" buddhist or finnish swastika anyway, because i want to post the pictures in the forum, so it shouldnt matter who plays w ith and who without. But why would you not use the swastika in the first place? It has been used since thousands of years.. in fact i see them all the time when im in japan. Of course i know that the swastika of hitler has a slightly different design, but it still looks pretty neet.

I tried to find some sources about it, but is super hard, since if you google jewish swastika, you only get nazi and holocaust pages, its like they try to erase their own history. But well... theoretically you could argue that the swastika is also a jewish symbol.. well we got proof just above.

Oh yeah, and there were swastikas found in ancient jewish synagoges.
Source: Israel Ministery of Foreign affairs (well, thats the one i found in the net, but in fact i know that there were quite a lot of cases / useages of swastikas in ancient jewish synagoges from my jewish friend (who is also a rabbi & studied history, jewish history and some other things). Sadly that stuff doesnt seem to be online much.

http://www.mfa.gov.il/mfa/israelexperience/history/pages/ein gedi - an ancient oasis settlement.aspx
 
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No one wants to be France? o_O I'll volunteer to be the glorious leader of France, but I'll need generals to support me as I have no previous HOI experience. ;) My only other worry is that time zones may not match up well with my schedule but I should be able to participate if they do.

The Big Blue Blob shall reverse the courses of history and once again dominate Europe.
Join me and help return France to its rightful place in Europe!:cool:
 

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No one wants to be France? o_O I'll volunteer to be the glorious leader of France, but I'll need generals to support me as I have no previous HOI experience. ;) My only other worry is that time zones may not match up well with my schedule but I should be able to participate if they do.

The Big Blue Blob shall reverse the courses of history and once again dominate Europe.
Join me and help return France to its rightful place in Europe!:cool:

I added you

Hell, reading the thread log, it kind of must look like i am an uber nazi after all this swastika stuff, but who cares.
Fact is, that i think that people should stop seeing swastikas as bad, they look amazing, and if you live in asia for some years, you will think so too.

In fact, i experienced that in china, hissing the imperial japanese flag is more or less forbidden (you will most likely get beaten very hard for doing so, and there was a lot of arguments about banning it in china and korea.)

I mean, where shall it stop? The high councel of jews in germany (yes, there is such a thing), even was one of the reasons we couldnt get a new iron cross, because they were so infuriated about initiating an order that is similar to the iron cross.. they even wanted it to be reshaped.. and it was reshaped actually to look less like an original iron cross.
Its just so stupid..
 

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Takeo, with all due respect, whatever discussion there is to be had about the history of the symbol etc, I think the mods are pretty tight with that sort of thing. I'm enjoying this thread a lot and I would hate to see it get locked :s
 
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Takeo, with all due respect, whatever discussion there is to be had about the history of the symbol etc, I think the mods are pretty tight with that sort of thing. I'm enjoying this thread a lot and I would hate to see it get locked :s

With all due respect, why would they mind me posting swastikas, when they got them in their own games? I mean, i didnt post any nazi symbol, but only jewish, hindu, buddhistic, germanic symbols..

It cant be infracting any rule, because they got swastikas in their own games (crusader kings 2).

In fact, the mere display of a swastika in public is a huge offense in germany, and you would get punished for it, however if you wear a swastika or place a swastika symbol in front of your house or sth, and can prove that it is not a nazi symbol but buddhistic or anything else religious, you can show it in public.

I experienced it myself after i got nearly arrested by some police guys for wearing a swastika necklace that i bought in japan, - in the end they had to let me go and apologized since i threatened to sue them for religious discrimination, - and i know of people that did that, and won.

So basically there cant be any problem with this. I wont post any nazi symbols, only religious ones.. otherwise i will start reporting everyone who posts a christian cross because the christian cross is way worse anyway. I mean, the origination of the christian cross is basically suffering and crucifying people..

But lets not talk about that.. but ye, if you think about it logically, you know i am right.

Here the forum rules:


  1. {No Nazis, Pirates, or Porn} NAZIS -It IS illegal to show Nazi flags in Germany and various other countries. The same is true for other Nazi symbols (e.g. related to the SS) or Nazi propaganda material, including songs etc. Any links posted to a scenario or mod which includes a Swastika or other illegal Nazi symbols will be deleted. This also applies to any talk of concentration camps, as these are not and will not be in the game. Any threads that complain about this issue will be closed, and posters will be subject to disciplinary action for having done so. PIRATES -You will not post messages that request, condone, support, offer or discuss pirated software/media or links to other such sites that condone, offer it or discuss p2p sites/methods. PORN - You will not post pornographic, sexually offensive material or images of a type unsuitable for a family/office environment or post links to such material or images.
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So talking about the history of the swastika should be fine. It only says that posting pictures and nazi propaganda material.

But ye, using the nazi swastika is indeed impossible if i want to post screenies, i will just take the finnish swastika as flag then. Problem solved.
 
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Well, I don't really know what to say. I hope you're correct and that the thread doesn't get nuked. Personally I don't care one way or the other about having the symbol, and I understand of course why the rules are as they are. My two cents would be that it would be wise to refrain, as I have seen many posts removed for inclusion of a swastika in historical photos, but of course it's up to you. Perhaps I've misinterpreted the rules, but I just don't think it's really worth risking it as we have a pretty good thread going.
 

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Well, I don't really know what to say. I hope you're correct and that the thread doesn't get nuked. Personally I don't care one way or the other about having the symbol, and I understand of course why the rules are as they are. My two cents would be that it would be wise to refrain, as I have seen many posts removed for inclusion of a swastika in historical photos, but of course it's up to you. Perhaps I've misinterpreted the rules, but I just don't think it's really worth risking it as we have a pretty good thread going.

Mhh.. i cant really believe what you say, because the forum rules, as stated above are clear.
I will just ask daddy about it, maybe he can clarify.
 

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Its very clear. No Nazi symbols. The swastika is a nazi symbol. So you cant use it.

Thats nonsense.

A swastika is no nazi symbol. It has nothing to do with nazis, the Harkenkreuz and the original Swastika are two different things.

This are nazi symbols: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_symbolism

"The swastikas on Hindu, Buddhist, and Jain temples are exempt, as religious symbols cannot be banned in Germany."

It counts as religious symbol.

If swastikas had anything to do with nazis but the misuse, Paradox wouldnt use swastikas in Ck2

I asked the mods about it. But in fact there is nothing to ask about because those symbols are religious.

https://www.google.de/maps/place/Ky...2!3m1!1s0x6001a8d6cd3cc3f1:0xc0961d366bbb1d3d


Are you saying google maps is illegal site? If yes, it gets ridicolous.
 
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I understand that you may disagree with their policies and how they interpret what defines "Nazi symbols", but this is their forum and we have to abide by their rules.

It's as simple as that, and I'm afraid this thread is going to get locked if this continues.
 

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I understand that you may disagree with their policies and how they interpret what defines "Nazi symbols", but this is their forum and we have to abide by their rules.

It's as simple as that, and I'm afraid this thread is going to get locked if this continues.

What kind of nonsense do you talk about? I dont disaggree with their policies. There are no nazi symbols in this thread. I mean, you accuse the forum staff to be discriminating against religions, which i dont think they are.
The swastika is also a jewish symbol. If I use a jewish swastika.

If i use the jewish swastika, its a nazi symbol also? So Jews are Nazis? Think about what you write for a second and read a book about religion.
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???

I mean, it makes me angry to see so many ignorant people that shit on other people´s religion.

Really, it started only beeing me wanting to use a swastika for immersion - which i will, and right after stating that you could easily use any "legal" swastika, people start to basically denounce holy symbols als symbols of facism. Its just ridicolous. Okay, i admitt i wanted to use it for immersion, but i am also buddhist (thats not even a lie, since as many of you know, i lived in japan a long time and go there a lot/will move back soon) - and therefore i think its outrageous if people talk about holy symbols as if you can forbidd them. Lets forgett that i wanted to use the symbol for immersion : the mere fact that you say the symbol must be a nazi symbol because the symbol has been used in a variation by some small austrian idiot over 80 years ago makes me just furious.

Its such an outrage how people treat other peoples religions. Come back to earth, saying that you dont like people useing the symbols for immersion would be fine, saying you dont like it would be fine. But saying that the symbols themself are a sign of evil or facism is just .. it makes me so angry.
It makes you as worse as the nazi party, because like them you discriminate against people and religion.
 
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