Hearts of Iron IV Retells History through a Look at Military Technology

[Bluestreak2k5]

The fact that the word "Medium" is written right above Light 1 and Light 2 doesn't help the average viewer in reaching that conclusion.
But I'm glad the tanks have their correct designation.

EDIT : 7716 hours in paint :

This is the same tech tree, except clearer.

I believe the reason it is the way it is now is 2 fold:

1) I think that changing a template from having a Light Tank to medium tank will cost XP. I actually agree that this should happen, as it prevents other abuses if you can simply swap out any battalion for any battalion. You will most likely have 2+ tank battalions in your tank divisions, and I would assume 4, giving this a cost of 4X.
2) If it is expensive to change templates, and given the cost of changing factories, this leads to a point where it becomes very very smart to simply produce minimal amounts of Light tanks, as the change to medium will be very high. This cost will be mostly done by Germany only.

This basically leads to a similar version of min-maxing in HOI3, and it really takes away the importance of Panzer I and Panzer II tanks in the game.

 

[Le_Carabinier]

Nice editing. i was otw to do something similar myself.

But your picture depends on 1 thing. What kind of battalions the Pz1 and Pz2 are placed in. If they are placed in a Light Tank Battalion i agree with your picture. If however they are placed in a Medium Battalion i do not.

Though i would like 1 thing to be changed. mirror the tree. Starting from Left -> Right with Light, Medium, Heavy, Super Heavy.

Well, Darkrenown told me a page ago that thre tree went "Light 1, Light 2, Medium 1", so I guess Panzer 1 and 2 will go in Light tank batalions, even though they appear on the "Medium" column in the tech tree.
And I'm thinking exactly the same way as you do about the fact that light tanks should be on the left, and heavy tanks on the right.

 

[Poh]

I would do something like this: Yes i would put more space between the different types and a "S. Heavy" marking at above the Maus. However for my "modding" the picture this was easier to illustrate a point.

EDIT: the only "problem" i see is having "Medium" in the middle of the picture instead of at the top and the fact that the "Light" line will be hard to move far to the left because of the Armor headline.

 

[Le_Carabinier]

I tried.

 

[columbusbobby23]

I tried.

I think you nailed it.

BTW, I too would like to see the Spanish intervention be more meaningful than it has been in the past. In HOI3, it felt like you had 0 influence in tipping the scales one way or the other. And very little benefit/risk associated with the decision.

 

[varsovie]

And I'm thinking exactly the same way as you do about the fact that light tanks should be on the left, and heavy tanks on the right.

Except being a good geocentric habit, it doesn't change a thing (and should be easy to mod). My only wish is that the position remains consistent between each majors and the generic minor tree.

 

[illathid]

Nice editing. i was otw to do something similar myself.

But your picture depends on 1 thing. What kind of battalions the Pz1 and Pz2 are placed in. If they are placed in a Light Tank Battalion i agree with your picture. If however they are placed in a Medium Battalion i do not.

Though i would like 1 thing to be changed. mirror the tree. Starting from Left -> Right with Light, Medium, Heavy, Super Heavy.

I agree it looks better with light on the left heavy on the right.

Also shouldn't it go from Panzer II to Panzer III rather than Panzer I to Panzer III?

 

[Poh]

I agree it looks better with light on the left heavy on the right.

Also shouldn't it go from Panzer II to Panzer III rather than Panzer I to Panzer III?

Yeah it should. I have also done it in the picture i posted somewhere above here. Reposted: (i would probably double the distance between the columns)

 

[podcat]

Yeah it should. I have also done it in the picture i posted somewhere above here. Reposted: (i would probably double the distance between the columns)

that looks pretty good

 

[DanubianCossak]

Ok nvm Pip doesnt allow me to post my opinion

 

[illathid]

Yeah it should. I have also done it in the picture i posted somewhere above here. Reposted: (i would probably double the distance between the columns)

Yeah, spreading them out a bit more would make better use of the space available.

 

[Darkrenown]

Yeah, Poh and Le_Carabinier, the armour tree needs to be laid out better along the lines you have shown - it's somewhere on the todo list :s

 

[Cpack]

Maybe you can extend the "Tiger"-line with E75 and the "Maus"-line with E100

 

[Oddb@ll]

Video was really cool!

 

[Poh]

Yeah, Poh and Le_Carabinier, the armour tree needs to be laid out better along the lines you have shown - it's somewhere on the todo list :s

i bet theres a lot of more important stuff on that todo list

 

[podcat]

i bet theres a lot of more important stuff on that todo list

yeah, like turning the dutch flag the right way around

 

[Cpack]

yeah, like turning the dutch flag the right way around

Wow.....some 30sec issues :blink:......

 

[Darkrenown]

No one ever stops to think maybe The Netherlands flipped their flag over themselves to try and deter a German invasion

 

[Stenner]

I checked in here after seeing the video, which was absolutely great!

If you guys ever do more of these, I would watch the heck out of them and they're easier to spread around.. Like, if you guys could go to an air plane museum to talk about strategic bombing or production or anything involving them really. I think it could be a big hit and I'd make sure to spread that youtube video around en masse.

The ships or weapons of the era would be much harder to come by as they aren't kept in groups like tanks or planes. And the weapons you'd have to shoot through glass.


Anyway.. Concerning the tank tree, I was very receptive to your guys' tank tree, but these redraws with light on the left felt like a weight coming off of my brain, and I heard myself saying "oh that's so much better".. But I'm an American. Soooo.

Anyway, keep up the good work! I hope to be playing and enjoying your games for years to come paradox!

 

[keynes2.0]

No one ever stops to think maybe The Netherlands flipped their flag over themselves to try and deter a German invasion

The secret history of WWI.