Hearts of Iron IV - Developer Diary 12 - Internal Politics
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So, while playing as Germany, I can overthrow Mr. H and bring democracy back, or I can simply make him support democracy? That's cool. And it would be even cooler if we could bring the Hohenzollerns back to power. Is that possible? Which brings me to another question.
Can I change the government of other nations? For example, in my democratic/monarchist (if possible) German game, can I use my influence to depose Mussolini and bring democracy or monarchy back to Italy? This would be perfect to create dream scenarios, where you can not only change the ideology of your nation, but of others as well.
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lel. I am starting to think they should add this as an easter egg
Also, I must say that I see no problem in delaying the game to polish it. And I love the UI and portraits.
Can I change the government of other nations? For example, in my democratic/monarchist (if possible) German game, can I use my influence to depose Mussolini and bring democracy or monarchy back to Italy? This would be perfect to create dream scenarios, where you can not only change the ideology of your nation, but of others as well.
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lel. I am starting to think they should add this as an easter egg
Also, I must say that I see no problem in delaying the game to polish it. And I love the UI and portraits.
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Well, some people like the AI to take different paths from our history, but it seems like many don't. So if possible, I think there should be an option to force the AI to choose historical national goals.
Very cool .. thx!!! :wub:
One Question: I wonder if different companies will research different equipment!? Like the Tiger was a tank build by Henschel ... will I have another heavy tank model for '41 if I choosed for example Porsche!? Or will all companies research the same tanks!? :unsure:
One Question: I wonder if different companies will research different equipment!? Like the Tiger was a tank build by Henschel ... will I have another heavy tank model for '41 if I choosed for example Porsche!? Or will all companies research the same tanks!? :unsure:
In the stream Podcat was talking about weights with the goals (I'm pretty sure in the context of making things play out historically if the player nation plays ball), so it may well be that the AI has certain weights for selecting certain goals depending on circumstances and I'd bet good money these point towards a generally historical approach. Personally, I'd be very happy with plausible ahistorical things happening as well, but not too often. And, of course, once the player starts going off the historical path, the response to the player's actions should mean far more ahistorical responses, which should keep everything far more dynamic and plausible
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I was thinking how certain scenarios will play out if you pick the latter part of the war like in late 44 for example. How much Leader Mana can you really make an effect at this stage in the war?
Why you... dictatorI cannot be overthrown
Both Porsche and Henschel built prototypes (the German way of doing it was to say what they wanted, and whatever company was interested attempted to build a prototype to the specs demanded). Porsche was so sure that he'd win the contract that they built 100 tank hulls. When they lost the contract, these were converted into the Elefant (later renamed Ferdinand) tank destroyer.
Anyway, what has been said is that there will be variations, yes. For example, that one manufacturer might give the tank better armor, but slower speed, another might give it better mobility but worse reliability, and so on. I haven't watched the latest Twitch stream from Paradox, but if i recall, they are supposed to mention it there.
So in short, no, all companies will not research the same tanks. My personal take on that information is that by and large they'll be the same, but with minor statistical variations (1 HA better on one model than another, and so on). This far in a Paradox game, such a difference is minuscule.. and basically means nothing. So we'll see if they pay such differences more attention this time around
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There's just now one thing i miss. that this game is what i ever wanted to play. When the dangerous in the east is handled ( fall of soviet union). The allies cant invade succesfully but rule the sea. And the german military faction feel safe and the political power of the NSDAP falls.that there is a possibly for a civil war because a ambitious General decide he's the real "Cäsare" the german peopels waited for(after Oswald Spengler's philosophie;-)). Would love to see it. Gives the AI a chance to build up a invasionarmy while the 'Reich' is Split. and i want to become the emperor as General .
Like the Imperial Roman Empire, the faschism is based on the military aspects of a state. even as dlc. It is something I really want. Bloody Civil Wars and new alliances when the game doesn't end like in the history does.
anyway, can't wait for the next dev diarys
.Like the Imperial Roman Empire, the faschism is based on the military aspects of a state. even as dlc. It is something I really want. Bloody Civil Wars and new alliances when the game doesn't end like in the history does.
anyway, can't wait for the next dev diarys
It's the opposite : it was named the Ferdinand by Ferdinand Porsche, then renamed to Elefant to fit the theme naming of German military vehicles (Tiger, Panther, Nashorn, Marder...)
gah, i knew it was way too early in the morning for me to post stuff :/
My most educated guess is no. To be clear, what I mean is that regardless of who researched the unit, it will have the same name. And your example doesn't really work anyway. 1) Porsche did participate in the design of the Tiger, and 2) Porsche didn't build tanks (or for that matter cars at the time), they designed them.
There's no way there's only three parties I'm pretty sure it's just not scripted yet. Even sticking in the political system from HOI3, as flawed as it is, would be better than only having three parties. In fact just make coalitions a thing (which Paradox said they are) and have something close to HOI3's political party setup (9 parties or at least 7 since having one less far-right and far-left party would be acceptable if not exactly optimal) and you have a pretty good system in place. I mean they already have the data and info ready to go from the previous games so I don't know why they would reinvent the wheel to create an objectively much worse system. It may also be that it's easier for parties to have zero support in HOI4 which causes them to not be seen, so those three parties may be the only ones seen until others gain some popularity. That would make more sense than HOI3 where fringe parties like the German-American Bund would randomly be getting support from six percent of the population.
Overall it seems an improvement as long as I'm right about there not only being three parties. Though while I like the sandboxy feel I hope totally stupid things can't happen, like Hitler managing to turn his country communist without having to deal with a coup or assasination attempt from his own men.
Overall it seems an improvement as long as I'm right about there not only being three parties. Though while I like the sandboxy feel I hope totally stupid things can't happen, like Hitler managing to turn his country communist without having to deal with a coup or assasination attempt from his own men.
I'm pretty disappointed by this. I can't see what nation you realistically can simulate with this approach.
What's with the always upside-down Dutch flag? Or did Yugoslavia conquer the Netherlands when no one was looking?
No? So maybe you are right. How you define invalidating regular elections, disbanding the parliament, arresting members of the opposition, suspending the legal warranties?
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That looks quite interesting.
Using only 3 parties for each ideology makes sense in overall game terms for the majors and the experience from HoI3.
I'm looking forward to see how countries not fully alinged to any of those ideology will be represented though.
An more equal mix of those main three?
What I like the most is that you seem to really have the need to have an eye on the politics to not loose support(points) or are even overthrown. That should reflect the politcial impact on the world of that time much better as before.
And it will be fun to see how players go for different goals just to get more PP for other decsions.
Using only 3 parties for each ideology makes sense in overall game terms for the majors and the experience from HoI3.
I'm looking forward to see how countries not fully alinged to any of those ideology will be represented though.
An more equal mix of those main three?
What I like the most is that you seem to really have the need to have an eye on the politics to not loose support(points) or are even overthrown. That should reflect the politcial impact on the world of that time much better as before.
And it will be fun to see how players go for different goals just to get more PP for other decsions.
A lot to like in this Dev diary and its looking great but...
3 Parties is a step backwards, I know they weren't very good in HOI3 but that is because they were split into 3 broad ideologies... when 5 might have been better (2 parties in each): Fascist, Conservative, Liberal, Social Democrat, Communist. Sadly that misses out Anarchist but that was only really relevant in the Spanish civil war and Italy at the end of the war. You can then see how Conservative governments would support Fascists but not Communists (as they did in the SCW) and Social Democrats support Communists. I'm not saying the naming is perfect but you get the idea.
Also here's hoping they don't call the 'Allied' ideology 'democratic'... its just a ridiculous (western propaganda) view of history.
3 Parties is a step backwards, I know they weren't very good in HOI3 but that is because they were split into 3 broad ideologies... when 5 might have been better (2 parties in each): Fascist, Conservative, Liberal, Social Democrat, Communist. Sadly that misses out Anarchist but that was only really relevant in the Spanish civil war and Italy at the end of the war. You can then see how Conservative governments would support Fascists but not Communists (as they did in the SCW) and Social Democrats support Communists. I'm not saying the naming is perfect but you get the idea.
Also here's hoping they don't call the 'Allied' ideology 'democratic'... its just a ridiculous (western propaganda) view of history.
I never play HoI before so I don't know how the party systems work before, but I want to say that I wish for a bit more (maybe at least five) political party (at least when you are in democracy government)...
Might be a bit bias because I comes from multiparty country, but I think to catch the nuance of politic, there should be more than three...
From the sound of it, the reason for three party seems to be to allow for a more clear cut differences between system that possible between each party (fascist able to join other fascist, democracy enable election, etc.) then on top of my head I can think two other kinda of parties the monarchy which support monarchy system and we can separate the democracy in to two different type one for presidential/republic while other is for parliamentary...
Though again, I am totally new to this so I am willing to see how it will work, just presenting my opinion...
Might be a bit bias because I comes from multiparty country, but I think to catch the nuance of politic, there should be more than three...
From the sound of it, the reason for three party seems to be to allow for a more clear cut differences between system that possible between each party (fascist able to join other fascist, democracy enable election, etc.) then on top of my head I can think two other kinda of parties the monarchy which support monarchy system and we can separate the democracy in to two different type one for presidential/republic while other is for parliamentary...
Though again, I am totally new to this so I am willing to see how it will work, just presenting my opinion...