Hearts of Iron IV - Beginner Tutorial - Battle Plans

[The Menace]

Looks pretty simple and intuitive!

No click-and-drag for garrisoning large areas though? Garrisoning the USSR going to take forever!

I don't see why anyone would have to garrison the Entire USSR. partisans don't appear on annexed territory

 

[Kashked]

Atleast you guys aren't going to school on D-day q_q

Funny enough, D-Day is the Day of the swedish flag (a national holyday) in Sweden, so the devs won't go to work either. Although I suspect they might make an exception... atleast the poor buggers who make the launch-streams and stuff. If they are properly unionized they should get 150% bonus pay, which is why I loved working night-shifts at christmas/news year/midsummer day back when I worked in a hospital.

 

[Kashked]

I don't see why anyone would have to garrison the Entire USSR. partisans don't appear on annexed territory

Partisans don't appear at all in HoI4, they have revamped that. They just mess upp your infrastructure and factories.

 

[Modestus]

You are correct, and sorry I stated it wrong.

But I don't think you should be able to cheese the system and be able to have both of them available at the same time. Having an attack bonus ready, and a defensive bonus ready at the same time doesn't seem right. It seems like you should only be able to have one ready at a time.

Indeed, you may as well just give a bonus for being on the border of a country because what player is going to be stupid enough to forget to give their Divisions a bonus.


Choice 1 move German army to French border and create no Plan which means you have no offensive bonus.


Choice 2 move German army to French border and create a Plan, any Plan it does not matter if you ever intend using that Plan because since they are just sitting there anyhow you may as well get the offensive bonus.

 

[johnyoga]

Hello!

During this week we'll be releasing one tutorial video a day where glorious DDRJake explains some basic concepts of the game in an easy to understand manner.

The purpose of these videos is to make short and easy to find guides on specific topics. Once the game is released we expect a ton of user made let's plays and tutorials. Since these tend to be quite long, and it might be hard to find the specific thing you have questions about, We made these. I like to call them wiki articles in video format.

We start off with video #1 - Battle Plans! Enjoy!

Thank you Jake...Many more of these tutorials please! Marc

 

[wright1331]

Why would you think this? Is it because of your military background? It sounds like your soldiers can't learn/understand/comprehend two plans?
I don't get the point you are trying to make. So I'm in a trench, fox hole, hiding behind a group of trees etc. If the enemy attacks my position I use my defensive bonus. If however my superior blows the whistle and yells "CHARGE" I would use my attacking bonus.
Why do you think soldiers are sooooooo stupid they won't know the difference between two plans or when or how to use them?
It is kinda weird, IMHO.

The battle plans mean nothing in this case, and you basically get a bonus for just showing up to the front line. The fact that you keep the offensive bonus no matter what is horrible. Even if you are on defense and get pushed back 1000km and a year later the "superior blows the whistle and yells CHARGE", your solders are still going to go by the same plan and "use your attack bonus".

This kind of thinking doesnt make sense. If the attack loses his bonus over time why would the defender not, even if they get pushed back 1/2 a continent??


This statement here is the exact reason why i question that balance of it, and the idea behind it. If you get the bonus (and keep it) no matter what on defense for a plan you might never use, then why put it as an option.

Indeed, you may as well just give a bonus for being on the border of a country because what player is going to be stupid enough to forget to give their Divisions a bonus.
Choice 1 move German army to French border and create no Plan which means you have no offensive bonus.
Choice 2 move German army to French border and create a Plan, any Plan it does not matter if you ever intend using that Plan because since they are just sitting there anyhow you may as well get the offensive bonus.

 

[joeenochs]

Good video. However the advance looks too easy and the retreat too quick. I hope that both was done on purpose for clarity of demonstration.
About advance: Hopefully this was done with a German troop stength, which is beyond player reach even on normal.
About retreat: It seems for the purpose of the video the Sowjet troops are just ordered to hold the line,
so we cannot judge, how a fighting retreat under pressure would look like. My concern is that it will not make much difference..

 

[CharlieFox]

The "retreat" to the fallback line about 400 to 500km in 4-6 days seems a bit fast for mostly Infantry divisions, even using strategic movement.

Or is it just me?

Frankly what I find more jarring is that Soviet AI is barely moving its troops forward when the Germans retreat... At the very least they should seek to advance to shorten their front line and try to dig in across the river. Is this because they are trying to conserve/regain org by not advancing into "enemy" provinces?

 

[Axe99]

Great little vid . Suspect you're already planning it, but putting these vids together (once you've got them out there) into a youtube playlist so it'd be possible to send one link to all the vids would probably help disseminate them a bit, and for people to find what they're looking for. Six days to go .

 

[joeenochs]

Frankly what I find more jarring is that Soviet AI is barely moving its troops forward when the Germans retreat... At the very least they should seek to advance to shorten their front line and try to dig in across the river. Is this because they are trying to conserve/regain org by not conquering "enemy" provinces?

It could simply be that they have been put to a hold the line order and no advance order for the purpose of demonstration.

 

[Carlonoreus1]

I have been living for two things Game of thrones and HOI4

 

[Novatheorem]

The "retreat" to the fallback line about 400 to 500km in 4-6 days seems a bit fast for mostly Infantry divisions, even using strategic movement.

Pretty sure that unit speed is an editable variable, so you can always mod that to your heart's content. I think Paradox may have done that to just prevent people from feeling like they're waiting forever, so it may be a bit fast.

 

[OBRkenobi]

I will assume that it will only tick back up when you reach the Offensive Front-line and you have a second phase to your Plan.

That is correct.

I presume you do not allow the bonus to tick back up if the player simply orders a unit to stop.

That is also correct.

 

[JerkyJerry]

The battle plans mean nothing in this case, and you basically get a bonus for just showing up to the front line. The fact that you keep the offensive bonus no matter what is horrible. Even if you are on defense and get pushed back 1000km and a year later the "superior blows the whistle and yells CHARGE", your solders are still going to go by the same plan and "use your attack bonus".

False false false
Your troops have both the battle plan bonus and the dig in bonus
Then they are attacked, they are on defense, they use their dig in bonus
A 1,000 KM back and they will get the planning bonus? Where did you get this information from? It does not make any sense since the battle plan was for 1000KM in another direction.
Please do yourself a favor and stop listening to whoever is telling you this non-sense.

 

[JerkyJerry]

Question, Once you launch an offensive and your bonus starts to tick down when does it tick back up again?


I will assume that it will only tick back up when you reach the Offensive Front-line and you have a second phase to your Plan.


I presume you do not allow the bonus to tick back up if the player simply orders a unit to stop.

False
False

 

[JerkyJerry]

The soldiers have to be on the front line for the battle plan bonus to begin to tick up. If your troops are 1000KM from the front line how are they supposed to use the battle plan? Front line does not equal 1000KM behind the front line.
And I have to educate myself? Yikes

And if you know so much and all about it, why are you still asking questions about it?
I answer questions about it I don't ask questions about it.

 

[wright1331]

The soldiers have to be on the front line for the battle plan bonus to begin to tick up. If your troops are 1000KM from the front line how are they supposed to use the battle plan? Front line does not equal 1000KM behind the front line.
And I have to educate myself? Yikes

And if you know so much and all about it, why are you still asking questions about it?
I answer questions about it I don't ask questions about it.

lay off the coffee brah, your a little on edge tonight, lol

 

[JerkyJerry]

Dr. Pepper!

 

[JerkyJerry]

If anyone has any questions regarding the Battle Plan Bonus please go here:
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/planning-bonus-mega-thread.929774/

And just read what POTSKI posts. He explains everything to a T.
Before you go to the thread write down your questions. Then as you are reading Potski's posts and only Potski's posts and all your questions will be answered. If not, then just send him a PM!
He knows the system inside out and backwards. He is easy to follow and makes understanding it a breeze.
So simple yet so complex but really it is just flat out simple.

This is easily the best advice I would give anyone who is having difficulties understanding the BP bonus.

 

[GeorgeA]

This will be a beautiful game