No, Orange seems to be about being on the offensive, as are all the war plans. In real life, Japan attacked first.
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Hearts of Iron IV - 32nd Development Diary - 6th of November 2015
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Being the aggressor/defender in most of the colored war plans was irrelevant (in fact Rainbow plans 1 and 2 were about being on the defensive with a focus on guarding the Americas). Specifically, war Plan Orange was essentially a plan to leapfrog/island-hop across the Pacific to relieve the Philippines and other Asian allies an ultimately take the battle to the Asian opponents' doorstep (which we did with Japan even though the attacked first).
IRL during WW2 the US went with "Rainbow Plan" 5, which mixed aspects of war plans Red-Orange (How to fight a two ocean war against major powers, nominally UK and Japan in the official plans, but more generally any two powers in practice) and Black (dealing with Germany). The existence of the Rainbow plans is why I think the war plans shouldn't be mutually exclusive, but it should be REALLY rare to activate more than two lines (e.g., Red-Orange, Black-Orange, Black-White etc...), unless the player is shooting to run their own US-led faction to a WC.
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Aren't factions only started via focuses? If so it's a shame there (maybe?) isn't one for the U.S. to start, one that's exclusive to democracies or the Americas or something.
Normally yes, but a US special/national spirit thingy is "Home of the Free", which according to DD #32 "allows them to create factions, but not to join any faction led by another ideology," which is why I think its feasible. I'm sure there are other requirements faction creation needs besides a "leadership flag" being active for the creator country, but it still could be something to aim towards.
I don't think their is that much requirement to create a faction given that in the multiplayer event, the nordic countries created their own faction.
But again, for a lot of those types of steams/teasers the devs enable alot of cheats/shortcuts. It's been hinted that being able to create a faction will be a later choice in the generic NF tree, so if they did it right away, that implies an altered start. Or maybe there are World tension requirements (at minimum) so that countries like the US don't just create a faction on Jan 2, 1936. Actually, on that note, I would like to know what may prompt the AI to create new factions in the "sandboxy" mode the devs made.
^ All theorizing here, but I think it's a bit too early to say easy or hard doing any particular diplomatic action will be in game.
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It hasnt been hinted. The Devs doesnt cheat that much with the pictures they show. They cheat like with the peace mechanic because they do not want to play 20 hours or something to take a screenshot for a DD (which would tbh also be kinda absurd)
The two ocasions we have seen random alliances were first the Press Event MP session where the nordic countries formed Northern Lights. And in the Internal Pds MP where they made the Payback something. I bet you can assume that they do not "cheat" in any such cases as it would make the whole event/mp moot.
I would also like to see where it has been hinted that its a late NF thing? We have seen its possible to form an Alliance with USSR as german (this NF is needed because it goes against normal behavior 2 faction leaders allying). We have seen France with a NF to make a mini entrente against Germany instead of going into the UK faction.
The NF is there to provide paths for you to take. Paths that are either historical or ahistorical and to enable things that wouldnt normally be possible in the game. Making Factions from what we have heard isnt something that hard to do.
Maybe it means they can make a faction consisting of any ideology but must join one consisting of theirs. I don't think you can just create factions whenever you want, the game would get really weird.
The Canadian-American border is wrong. Somehow.
Also, Massachusetts is a lesser state but Jersey isn't?
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The Canadian-American border is wrong. Somehow.
Also, Massachusetts is a lesser state but Jersey isn't?
It's Jersey, nobody else would put up with it so it got left out of any mergings...
Edit (to avoid double posting):
2 things
1) I mispoke, I didn't mean cheat "cheat", I meant (in this instance at least) alter the initial game state or rules to show off mechanics sooner sometimes than would be seen in the release candidate. Specifically, I was trying to say the "Northern Lights" COULD have been created early on because the devs gave all countries the same national spirit effect the US has just for that stream or moved the NF that allows factions further up the tree than they intend to leave it in the main game. I mean the games in alpha still, nothings locked down and NOW would be the time to mess with things to allow even more sandboxy madness for fun and hype.
2) I say "hinted" because of this line from DD #29 "The other nations gain the capability to form their own factions through their national focus trees." If they didn't have to traverse their focus tree at least SOMEWHAT for this ability, they wouldn't have said "through", which implies some sense of "getting there" and considering focuses take time, it could likely take some time to unlock the ability (i.e., not in 1936). Hence why I said a "a later choice in the generic NF tree"
"Later" not "late"
Big difference in context between the words
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The Canadian-American border is wrong. Somehow.
Also, Massachusetts is a lesser state but Jersey isn't?
You misunderstand--New England is simply Greater Massachusetts, the Bay State having redeemed all of its lost territories.
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Fair enough
Makes more sense than merging SC and Georgia like they did in Vicky... like why not Georgia and Alabama or NC and SC? SC was arguably one of the most important states of the era, being the most rebellious
Americanism was inherently anti-communist. No need for fascism. Just a massive shift back to interventionism.
Any drift from progressivism into fascist trappings would be presented as a homegrown populist Americanist movement - the New American Way or some such.
Somehow. Also, Massachusetts is a lesser state but Jersey isn't?
New Jersey is an essential state. It is the only thing keeping New York City and Philadelphia apart.
P.S. Combining Georgia and South Carolina makes better campaign geography than other local combinations.
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The reason the Germans and USSR didn't bother sending much money to their sychophants in the US is because they saw how hopeless it was to try to get American democracy to internally fall to one of their ideologies, especially by 1936 when Roosevelt's social reforms let steam off from public anger. If we went back a little further, to around 1930, it might be a little more plausable, but it would still be insanely difficult for Communists or Fascists to even have enough numbers for a civil war.
The most plausable explanation I can come up with for a communist coup is if Hoover somehow worsened the Depression, perhaps by taking his Secretary of Treasury's advice to basically liquadate everything, and then by some fluke (electoral fraud/corruption) Hoover somehow won re-election in an obviously anti-democratic way which signaled that moderate, liberal reforms were no longer an option. Even then I suspect the communists would have had to built up more of a party infrastructure a decade earlier to have enough muscle to even come close to taking the US government or getting one of their own elected.
A Fascist takeover is more plausable than a communist one and it would probably have to be a military coup, perhaps out of fear of a communist takeover or if they thought that Roosevelt (who whoever held office at that point) was a radical but it would still be pretty hard to have happen.
Again by 1936 both the German fascists and the Russian Communists knew whatever window they had to spread their ideology to the US had practically closed. Hell they had a much better chance trying to meddle in UK politics at that point than they did the US (as Orwell pointed out the fascists could've had an opportunity to become larger in the UK had Mosley not been such a ridiculous leader and tried to import German fascism to the UK, which destroys the entire attraction of an ultranationalist movement.)
In the tree, there is nothing in Plan Orange that implies USA declares war if they follow it. In fact, in real life the USA declared an embargo before the war, which is kinda why the Japanese attacked in the first place. From the looks of it, it seems like the in game 'Plan Orange' is meant to be USA historical path, or, at last, part of it.
Basically.
The only thing I would say is that the requirement for a fleet submarine was ignored for a few years, then reinstated when the shooting started.
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2 things
1) I mispoke, I didn't mean cheat "cheat", I meant (in this instance at least) alter the initial game state or rules to show off mechanics sooner sometimes than would be seen in the release candidate. Specifically, I was trying to say the "Northern Lights" COULD have been created early on because the devs gave all countries the same national spirit effect the US has just for that stream or moved the NF that allows factions further up the tree than they intend to leave it in the main game. I mean the games in alpha still, nothings locked down and NOW would be the time to mess with things to allow even more sandboxy madness for fun and hype.
2) I say "hinted" because of this line from DD #29 "The other nations gain the capability to form their own factions through their national focus trees." If they didn't have to traverse their focus tree at least SOMEWHAT for this ability, they wouldn't have said "through", which implies some sense of "getting there" and considering focuses take time, it could likely take some time to unlock the ability (i.e., not in 1936). Hence why I said a "a later choice in the generic NF tree"
"Later" not "late"
Big difference in context between the words
Regarding 1) that was also what i read it as. I agree that they sometimes do it to show off stuff in a stream or in DDs. But i disagree that they would do it in a office MP or press event simple due to these two being testing envioments where they test if the game is stable, if there are bugs, if its fun to play, what features are tedious etc.
2) ahh i did not remember that line, i think i read it as all majors having a NF for creating their own faction. That might have been a wrong way to read it, we'll see.
Is it designed such that you can take a state and rebel for independence from the Union and then form your own glorious empire?
