Having an issue with a Personal Union as Austria

[Qemarar]

How about before we start assuming Hungary is a Noble Republic, we find out IF Hungary is a Noble Republic.

PUENDMASTER_4: "The traitorous nobles of $KINGCOUNTRY$ have elected their own king."

The phrase has nothing to do with government type, it only has to do with a broken union.

 

[rekindledflame]

How about before we start assuming Hungary is a Noble Republic, we find out IF Hungary is a Noble Republic.

PUENDMASTER_4: "The traitorous nobles of $KINGCOUNTRY$ have elected their own king."

The phrase has nothing to do with government type, it only has to do with a broken union.

It's not an assumption that they were a noble republic as the OP clearly stated they were in his game. People weren't commenting based on the event message, but the information the OP gave. That leaves us two things to go on 1) They are a noble republic as the OP stated or 2) He was mistaken. Assuming it's 1, the information given is accurate. A PU will break on re-election every time, which is every 8 years for a noble republic at minimum. It makes sense to assume #1 is correct as for a PU to end via bad relations it means your King must die with negative relations and/or prestige. However the OP is reporting this is happening every time he restores the union and it breaks 'within a few years' as he puts it. At any rate I don't see how/why this turned into some debate, as relations, prestige, and how a PU with a noble republic works (fails too work really) were all covered within the first handful of posts.

 

[Lindorn]

Hey dudes never saw all the replies here. It looks like what was happening was that I either wasn't maintaining good relations or like some folks earlier mentioned, they were having elections and I was losing the PU every time they had an election. Indeed the fact that it said the nobles have elected their own king was just a coincidence.

 

[fanoI]

In reality the concept of "Noble Republic" seemed always imprecise to me... in EU3, if I remember correctly, you could do Royal Marriages with them but never get a PU!
Now it seems possible to obtain a sort of Personal Union that being an elective Republic has not a lot of sense...

The reality is that IMHO the Noble Republic models two different type of governments:

1. Aristocratic Republic as the Italians city states: Florence, Pisa and so on... No royal Marriages, the ruler is a Prince and it is elected any 8 years. They could evolve in a more authoritarian form similar to Republican Dictatorship (Signoria in Italian) and then in a proper Monarchy.
2. Elective Monarchy as Poland and after the Polish - Lithuanian Commonwealth, Hungary, Bohemia and so on... The King rules until death, there is the possibility to have Royal Marriages and to form PU. On Monarch death there are elections, but a new choice is present if in PU "continue the personal union", the IA could be instructed to chose it if the relations are good... it pretty obvious that the player would escape from PU really easy in this way! But the restoration of union CB would make sense again...

Regarding to the problem that minors in Personal Unions could escape from the union becoming Bureaucratic Despotism or other forms of Republics this should not be permitted to happen! If a revolution tries to overthrown the ruler, a sort of Civil War should start in which the Senior of the union will be called to defend one of his thrones... if the war is won the union continues as the revolution is ineffective if the war is lost and so the Revolution has won and so no restoration of union is needed...

Let's try to imagine what would have happened if France tried to become a Republic being in PU with England! Do you think that England would have done nothing?

 

[Knut Skallagrim]

I'm pretty sure that when you restore the union on a noble republic they change government back to kingdom. This happened in my game with austria while burgundy got rebels which changed government to noble republic, 8 years after the union got broken, i restored it back and burgundy got kingdom government type back.
So it's obvious that he lost the pu thanks to prestige/bad relations, since he said that the pu got broken multiple times.
You can't use revolution and counterrevolution casus belli on nobles republic when you become archduke anyways.