Have you forgot about us, PDX?

[Yenzen]

I don't like Putin, but there is no way. I don't want another Eltzin. As 99% of my country don't

Fair, the man isn't exactly impressive.

I'm just not sure you'll want another Stalin, either...

 

[TheDungen]

No clue what you are saying. I never said anything that could even be remotely considered 'demonizing' Russia, but ok.


Not sure what this is either. All I did was reply to a post that was stating lies by pointing out that fact, and then respond when irrelevant points were brought up. Nothing I said had anything to do with 'soviet occupation forces'. Perhaps you meant to quote someone else?

I quoted the last entry in the discussion, but the messege was directed at the discussion as a whole.

 

[abaddondespoiler]

Did you even read his post...

Edit: He added the latter parts after. I guess he only considers agreeing with him "adequate"? Konrad had probably been the most calm about all of this.

Not about Konrad.

Fair, the man isn't exactly impressive.

I'm just not sure you'll want another Stalin, either...

That is also the truth

 

[KonradKurze202]

I quoted the last entry in the discussion, but the messege was directed at the discussion as a whole.

Ahh, understandable then.

 

[urkuru]

Of course, US never did any crime. Same os UK, France or any other ally. You are CRYSTALLY-CLEAR, JUST LIKE MAIDEN

Everybody did warcrimes, but Soviets did not only those but Crimes against humanity as well.

 

[abaddondespoiler]

No clue what you are saying. I never said anything that could even be remotely considered 'demonizing' Russia, but ok.


Not sure what this is either. All I did was reply to a post that was stating lies by pointing out that fact, and then respond when irrelevant points were brought up. Nothing I said had anything to do with 'soviet occupation forces'. Perhaps you meant to quote someone else?

Looks like I had erroneusly splattered you with a seliva. Sorry for that

 

[KonradKurze202]

Looks like I had erroneusly splattered you with a seliva. Sorry for that

Easily accomplished on the internet, no worries

 

[abaddondespoiler]

Easily accomplished on the internet, no worries

I'm just tired of this. Just saying "komiz ar baad" isn't the truth. Like as "aliez ar baad".

Edit: the most fascinating thing, that Russians can't decide if Stalin is good or bad.

 

[KonradKurze202]

I'm just tired of this. Just saying "komiz ar baad" isn't the truth. Like as "aliez ar baad".

Edit: the most fascinating thing, that Russians can't decide if Stalin is good or bad.

I find that fascinating looking in from the outside as well. I suspect it has to do with current Russian politics (the primary opponents to Putin are the Communist factions), plus 'Russia' was more powerful when it was the center of the USSR, while now Russia is missing the Ukraine (a big food producer in the area) and quite a few other territories. It makes looking back seem like a 'better' time (to some), and so the past is idiolized.
Another interesting thing is that immediately after Stalin died the rest of the Communist Party had a grand old time tearing him down, pointing out his mistakes to further their own political agendas (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Cult_of_Personality_and_Its_Consequences).
Either criticizing or praising past leaders can be a good way to add legitimacy and 'noise' to a political movement. In the past criticizing Stalin gained traction for post-Stalin Soviets, now praising him can gain traction for Communist Russians working to 'dethrone' Putin.

Russia has always had an interesting history, and you are definitely correct in that there is no single right or wrong side to most of it. I took a Russian history class (1900 onward) even though it fulfilled no requirement for my degree (it was my last semester and I had already fulfilled all requirements besides two last core classes), and it was quite interesting.

 

[abaddondespoiler]

I find that fascinating looking in from the outside as well. I suspect it has to do with current Russian politics (the primary opponents to Putin are the Communist factions), plus 'Russia' was more powerful when it was the center of the USSR, while now Russia is missing the Ukraine (a big food producer in the area) and quite a few other territories. It makes looking back seem like a 'better' time (to some), and so the past is idiolized.
Another interesting thing is that immediately after Stalin died the rest of the Communist Party had a grand old time tearing him down, pointing out his mistakes to further their own political agendas (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Cult_of_Personality_and_Its_Consequences).
Either criticizing or praising past leaders can be a good way to add legitimacy and 'noise' to a political movement. In the past criticizing Stalin gained traction for post-Stalin Soviets, now praising him can gain traction for Communist Russians working to 'dethrone' Putin.

Russia has always had an interesting history, and you are definitely correct in that there is no single right or wrong side to most of it. I took a Russian history class (1900 onward) even though it fulfilled no requirement for my degree (it was my last semester and I had already fulfilled all requirements besides two last core classes), and it was quite interesting.

About the communists. There are "fake" ones, which simply like USSR - they are the most massive ones.

And true guys, which hate mostly everything in USSR, except Lenin, because Vladimir Ilyich tried to change Russia, make it better.

But his changes sunk in blood

 

[TheDungen]

I think thta Russias problem here is that they expect the leadership to change the country for them, as such they seek people on the extreme fringes, communism didn't work so lets try radical capitalism, oh that didn't work let's try authoritarianism. But the thing is that change won't happen just because a certain leader comes into power, what you really need is stable leadership who just doesn't screw up to much, if you can get that then you can start building a momentum, becaue true change takes time. The countries with sky high gdp/capita like say Sweden didn't just vote Branting into power and emerge as a modern welfare state over night, no it was a process that took half a century with power changing hands several times under democratic forms, and lots of widely differing opinions on what's best for the country.

 

[Murmeldjuret]

No politics, seriously.
I'm fairly certain russian youtubers not getting codes is in no way related to Russia being a boogeyman or even remotely related to anything Stalin did. Russia is an important customer, irrelevant of any piracy, and most countries in the world do not speak english well enough for it to in any way replace their natural language. I don't see any argument as to why not release it the code to recognized youtubers, regardless of language and nationality. It's free marketing, especially so close to release.

 

[ApophisXP]

Hey, how about a key for me? I do baby speak / language for my kid...

 

[Grenkin]

Hate when Russian-speaking people think that they are special. If you think that PDX have some special opinion about Russians, you are wrong.
Maybe your YouTuber just should talk to them and make partnership as other did.

 

[Zaku]

I'm sorry but who cares? That was over 50 years ago and it was the soviet union, under Stalin. My family comes from east Germany I grew up on stories about the soviet occupation forces but if we are to create a better tomorrow we need to let the damage we did to each other in the past be past.

But we must also never forget the past so we never make the same mistakes again.

 

[abaddondespoiler]

Hate when Russian-speaking people think that they are special. If you think that PDX have some special opinion about Russians, you are wrong.
Maybe your YouTuber just should talk to them and make partnership as other did.

Wait.

All this conversation long I see how english-speaking are noticing their "speciality".

Why cant we do the same?

 

[Caspoi]

Wait.

All this conversation long I see how english-speaking are noticing their "speciality".

Why cant we do the same?

Note that many of the people disagreeing with you are not native english speakers.

 

[Ezumiyr]

Too much bad faith and hate in this thread. I hope the mods won't close it too late.

 

[abaddondespoiler]

Note that many of the people disagreeing with you are not native english speakers.

I mean, "english-speaking" in a wider way

 

[Caspoi]

I mean, "english-speaking" in a wider way

Yes but then they are not espousing the superiority of "their" language.