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Some Russian tuber should obviously get a key, baring that they should have like invited one to play it in the studio in the 12th this month. 55 years since Russian Yuri Gargarin became the first man in space, I can't believe they missed that opportunity.
 
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Some Russian tuber should obviously get a key, baring that they should have like invited one to play it in the studio in the 12th this month. 55 years since Russian Yuri Gargarin became the first man in space, I can't believe they missed that opportunity.

Is that a noticable day anywhere except Russia?


The worship of Stalin has been going up recently. I guess it's convenient to start looking to the guy who was at the head of the country when they defeated the Germans and won WW2 and expanded rapidly. Not going down that road if invading Eastern Europe was called for, it was the style at the time and it should have been expected.

But honestly, despite the power inherent in using hero depictions of former leaders, even his successors admitted that he was a horrible and brutal person as much to Russia itself as any other country.

Looks like you are the smart one. Ok, you mean, Russian should have given full-independence the territory they had just liberated? US hadn't done it
 
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Is that a noticable day anywhere except Russia?
No I just thought about it an looked it up, and it happened that it was around now. I'm actually surpised I haven't heard anything about it, I suscribe to loads of science pages on facebook, not even Buzz Aldrin or Chis Hadfield mentioned it. It's a pity though stuff like that is stuff that can be used to bring russia and the west closer together.
 
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You're clearly being a xenophobe here. I don't think that we can say that every Russian gamer is a pirate, or an incompetent youtuber.
And even if it is the case, would you say that for every non-english youtuber ?
I never said anything of the sort. I said Piracy is at higher rates in Russia than elsewhere, and thus the risk is higher there. I even mentioned the chances of this happening are small, however sometimes small is still too high.
The incompetent stuff was also not meant to apply to any single group, it is just to represent the difficulty in PDS' ascertaining the validity and authenticity of YTers who do not speak the same languages as them. This can lead to misunderstandings, which can lead to someone getting Stellaris who shouldn't, which can lead to loss in revenue.

The language problem in the communication between Paradox and them is not a "that's how the market works argument", even if it's a valid one. But most western european know english well enough to communicate with Paradox, so the only problem would be : how to control that they don't say things they don't have the right to say ?
I would be curious to hear the "many, many good reasons not to hand out keys willy nilly.".

I still don't see how sending keys to more youtubers wouldn't benefit to Paradox,
As I mentioned there are several ways bad press can hurt PDS, in addition to the looser control of their software leading to a higher risk of piracy.

Also I never made a 'that's how the market works argument' argument. So I presume this is directed elsewhere.

especially if they send them to youtubers who already do that kind of thing for other companies (like the two french channels I mentionned, but there are many others). It would just show the game to more people, and the game is localized in their language. The problem is still NDA - but those youtubers know what they're doing.
Problem is trust is earned, not given. I am not going to investigate any foreign language channels to debate this (sadly I speak only English and fairly poor Russian) that is PDS' job, I am just listing valid logistical issues involved in granting software licenses / copies to people with whom there has yet to establish a mutual trust and understanding.

Could PDS give several prominent YTers Stellaris and have no negative side effects? Yes. I would even say there is a notably higher chance that nothing would go wrong than that something will go wrong. However, even with a 5-10% chance of bad side effects that might be too high from a Risk Assessment point of view. Ultimately PDS' marketing strategies are their own choices, and their process for determining who to give advance copies to is also their own decision. This aspect is pretty much the part we have the least say in, as it involves us not at all.
Were I the marketing director at PDS (something I am not qualified for, I'm just a Software Engineer) I would indeed select a few high profile individuals who speak the languages supported by Stellaris (German, French, Spanish, Russian, etc) and give them an advance copy. The majority of the advance copies would go to English speakers, as they have the greatest total reach opportunities (English being the Lingua Franca and all), but I'd give a few around. However, I am neither their Marketing Director, nor particularly qualified for such a role, so this is my opinion..

I would be curious to hear the "many, many good reasons not to hand out keys willy nilly.".
I literally mentioned several in the post you quoted, for others someone with a marketing degree would be able to list more reasons. I am not too interested in doing a Marketing Managers job, that's why I'm a programmer ;).
 
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No I just thought about it an looked it up, and it happened that it was around now. I'm actually surpised I havenät heard anything about it, I suscribe to loads of science pages on facebook, not even Buzz Aldrin or Chis Hadfield mentioned it. It's a pity though stuff like that is stuff that can be used to bring russia and the west closer together.

Because noone needs Russia in the west. We had passed this in 1990-s, when americans were robbing our contry. It is better, when our own people are robbing, than the strange ones
 
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Who even plays Paradox games in anything but English? Pretty much everyone in Europe already knows how to speak English.
If I do a Norway Let's Play of HOI4, I think I'll do it in Norwegian. Why not.
 

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Whats about giving Russian youtubers a chance to play? Even Benjamin Magnus had got a key, while our Diodand (https://m.youtube.com/user/Diodand) with bigger subscriber-base hadnt!

Guys, if you want to sell the game, you need to advertize it, really!

Russia is a huge market, but english advertising is unappropriate here. Russians don't know english



That is really much. There is 16 million steam users here and monthly average is 700 th - 1.3 million


PDX had left the market some years ago and now noone knows them simply

Yet here you are, on an English forum ranting in English about the unavailability of a Russian stream. Claiming you aren't supposed to speak nor understand English, all in pretty decent English I should I.
Am I missing something? :eek:
 

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Looks like you are the smart one. Ok, you mean, Russian should have given full-independence the territory they had just liberated? US hadn't done it
Factually incorrect. The US liberated Greece from Italian occuptation. The US liberated (with UK, Canada, Aussie assistance) France from German control. Austria as well.

Russia (or to be more accurate the USSR) conquered everything East of Berlin and incorporated it into their 'union'.
 
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Hey guys n gals.

As one of the people who got access, it's worth pointing out that they didn't approach me, I approached them. While I'm not saying that everyone who got a key went through this approach, it certainly is very common within the media community to have to take this approach.

You might ask 'What about xxx?' but did they approach Paradox and ask about doing early coverage if possible? Did they ask to be on media lists? Are they active in the community outside of their own media outlet?

Since there is still time until the Embargo is up, I have little doubt that there is no cutoff currently for access from these specific people. While naturally I can't say for certain I feel like logically this would be the case. Instead of complaining on here that your favourite person didn't get access, maybe approach your person about taking the steps required to get it.
 
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Because noone needs Russia in the west. We had passed this in 1990-s, when americans were robbing our contry. It is better, when our own people are robbing, than the strange ones
It's not about needing russia it's how this Russia/West rivalry is making it much harder for all of us to solve problems, also the whole first man in space thing is somethign that we should all be proud of, it's a human accomplishment not just a Russian.


Factually incorrect. The US liberated Greece from Italian occuptation. The US liberated (with UK, Canada, Aussie assistance) France from German control. Austria as well.

Russia (or to be more accurate the USSR) conquered everything East of Berlin and incorporated it into their 'union'.
Not tehcnically true, they annexed some yes but they also set up a block, the Wasawa pact, just like the US set up NATO. Now I'm not saying people were forced into NATO but there are similarites.
Also this has nothing to do with the subject of Stellaris.
 
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Is that a noticable day anywhere except Russia?




Looks like you are the smart one. Ok, you mean, Russian should have given full-independence the territory they had just liberated? US hadn't done it

The US didn't make half of Europe into states or protectorates after the war...

But like I said, I don't really condemn Russia for it, they had a political ideology to protect and a power they wanted to increase. Pretending that these countries were "liberated" seems a bit far, considering how eager everyone was to leave the first chance they got.

As it is now, I'm just happy my country is in NATO. The number of neighbouring countries who are not, and who have been attacked seems to be rising rapidly.

But we're getting out of topic, most of this belongs in OT.

Plenty of good reasons for why the keys have been distributed as they have, have been made.
 
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Factually incorrect. The US liberated Greece from Italian occuptation. The US liberated (with UK, Canada, Aussie assistance) France from German control. Austria as well.

Russia (or to be more accurate the USSR) conquered everything East of Berlin and incorporated it into their 'union'.

I don't want to talk about politics. Just remeber, US, UK and France are angels, Russia is a devil
 
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It's not about needing russia it's how this Russia/West rivalry is making it much harder for all of us to solve problems, also the whole first man in space thing is somethign that we should all be proud of, it's a human accomplishment not just a Russian.

Sorry, I've misunderstood you. It is a common accomplishment, of course. I just meant, that noone even tried to celebrate it worldwide. I think that would be worthy
 
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I don't want to talk about politics. Just remeber, US, UK and France are angels, Russia is a devil
There is a difference between stating facts and claiming one side is an angel. The Allies did plenty of bad things after WW2 (supporting militant groups in the Middle East, as well as various -stan groups, getting involved in wars we had no business in like Vietnam, etc, etc), and so did the Communists. Predicating your position on anyone who points out facts is saying that the Allies are the '100% good guys!' is only damaging your own position, as it shows a lack of ability to communicate.
 
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There is a difference between stating facts and claiming one side is an angel. The Allies did plenty of bad things after WW2 (supporting militant groups in the Middle East, as well as various -stan groups, getting involved in wars we had no business in like Vietnam, etc, etc), and so did the Communists. Predicating your position on anyone who points out facts is saying that the Allies are the '100% good guys!' is only damaging your own position, as it shows a lack of ability to communicate.

Splashing seliva about trying to demonize my country isn't a really good idea, you know


If there will be a promise of adequate talking, I will also speak calm and quietly
 
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There is a difference between stating facts and claiming one side is an angel. The Allies did plenty of bad things after WW2 (supporting militant groups in the Middle East, as well as various -stan groups, getting involved in wars we had no business in like Vietnam, etc, etc), and so did the Communists. Predicating your position on anyone who points out facts is saying that the Allies are the '100% good guys!' is only damaging your own position, as it shows a lack of ability to communicate.
I'm sorry but who cares? That was over 50 years ago and it was the soviet union, under Stalin. My family comes from east Germany I grew up on stories about the soviet occupation forces but if we are to create a better tomorrow we need to let the damage we did to each other in the past be past.

I don't want to talk about politics. Just remeber, US, UK and France are angels, Russia is a devil
Well I won't deny that I am not exactly pleased with the current establishment in Moscow, that said I think that if we are to marginalise extremists and warmongerers then the people's of the west and russia needs to reach out to one another. This rivalry is allowing leaders on both sides to justify things that are deterimental to all of us.
 
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Splashing seliva about trying to demonize my country isn't a really good idea, you know

Did you even read his post...

Edit: He added the latter parts after. I guess he only considers agreeing with him "adequate"? Konrad had probably been the most calm about all of this.
 
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Well I won't deny that I am not exactly pleased with the current establishment in Moscow, that said I think that if we are to marginalise extremists and warmongerers then the people's of the west and russia needs to reach out to one another. This rivalry is allowing leaders on both sides to justify things that are deterimental to all of us.

I don't like Putin, but there is no way. I don't want another Eltzin. As 99% of my country don't
 
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Splashing seliva about trying to demonize my country isn't a really good idea, you know


If there will be a promise of adequate talking, I will also speak calm and quietly
No clue what you are saying. I never said anything that could even be remotely considered 'demonizing' Russia, but ok.

I'm sorry but who cares? That was over 50 years ago and it was the soviet union, under Stalin. My family comes from east Germany I grew up on stories about the soviet occupation forces but if we are to create a better tomorrow we need to let the damage we did to each other in the past be past.
Not sure what this is either. All I did was reply to a post that was stating lies by pointing out that fact, and then respond when irrelevant points were brought up. Nothing I said had anything to do with 'soviet occupation forces'. Perhaps you meant to quote someone else?
 
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