Have you forgot about us, PDX?

[Ezumiyr]

It's apparently just impossible for you to not take market mechanics personally and getting miffend in your national proud.

On the other hand : more keys to more contries will not mean less profits.
I would naturally say "why not sending keys to non-english speaking youtubers ?". I won't watch them, but the game cannot not benefit from it. And what does it cost for Paradox ? They would just send a few more keys. The problem would be the NDA, but this has nothing to do with how the market works.

I feel that the argument "that's not how the market works" is just a hidden nationalist argument. I just did a quick research, and I found two french channels with respectively 1.6 and 2.6 millions subscribers, the first one with a few CK2 videos on it, the second one had several strategy games (including a let's play on Civ 5).
Quill has 300.000 subscribers I think.
So it would not be totally pointless to send a key to non-english speaking youtubers, AND it would show the game to potential buyers who maybe didn't hear about the game yet - because, frankly, people who watch Quill and other specialized youtubers probably know about Stellaris at this point.

If your want your game to be sold to more people than you usually do, it may be a good idea to send keys to different kinds of youtubers. In any case, there is no rational reason to be hostile about it. What does Paradox has to lose by doing so ?

 

[abaddondespoiler]

Me, in German. My English is fairly good enough for games, but sorry, I don't see a necessity to disregard my native language when available. What's your Problem?

Russians don't know english on the necessair level

 

[Uhlume]

Well considering that Swedish isn't even an option for Paradox games and Paradox is based in Sweden, what makes other languages so special?

Culture is a thing, and not all countries have populations as well versed in English as much of northern Europe.

And even there, Germany and France both generally prefer their own language over English for both their TV shows and their games for instance.

Yes English is for the most part the Lingua Franca of the Western World, but that doesn't mean it should be the only viable option, especially if you're trying to open new markets that are not as well versed in the language.

 

[Clophiroth]

Well considering that Swedish isn't even an option for Paradox games and Paradox is based in Sweden, what makes other languages so special?

Yeah, Paradox Games were the first ones which I started playing in English, instead of my native language (Spanish), just cause the translation was so bad XD Last game of them I opened in Spanish was Pillars of Eternity, looked the main menu, saw that it was wrong, and first thing I did was changing the game to English again XD

And normally, I play games in Spanish to be more comfortable, with the exception of Paradox games, TW games (mostly because mods are English only, and when you put an English mod in a localized version, the game looks weeeeeeird) and games which are simply not translated, of course XD

 

[Bragi]

Yeah, the German translation of EU3 and the early EU4 was so hillarious, I kept playing it in German becaus it was so fun ^^

 

[agent_catnip]

There are valid reasons not to give russian youtubers press keys, which are all listed in this thread. But why argue about language support? There's no arguing that the more = the better.

 

[KonradKurze202]

On the other hand : more keys to more contries will not mean less profits.
I would naturally say "why not sending keys to non-english speaking youtubers ?". I won't watch them, but the game cannot not benefit from it. And what does it cost for Paradox ? They would just send a few more keys. The problem would be the NDA, but this has nothing to do with how the market works.

I feel that the argument "that's not how the market works" is just a hidden nationalist argument. I just did a quick research, and I found two french channels with respectively 1.6 and 2.6 millions subscribers, the first one with a few CK2 videos on it, the second one had several strategy games (including a let's play on Civ 5).
Quill has 300.000 subscribers I think.
So it would not be totally pointless to send a key to non-english speaking youtubers, AND it would show the game to potential buyers who maybe didn't hear about the game yet - because, frankly, people who watch Quill and other specialized youtubers probably know about Stellaris at this point.

If your want your game to be sold to more people than you usually do, it may be a good idea to send keys to different kinds of youtubers. In any case, there is no rational reason to be hostile about it. What does Paradox has to lose by doing so ?

They can quite easily not benefit from it, what's more they can be seriously harmed by it.
Russia is well known for pirating software. Give some Russians with no real ties to PDS a copy of the game? There is a chance (however small) that it won't end well.
Giving the game to people with whom PDS has no relations, and no investment in, could lead to some COD streamer getting a copy, and then ranting about how bad it is because it isn't a shooter. Maybe they actually are competent streamer/youtubers and interested in 4x/GSG, but since they have no relationship with PDS they decide to start streaming/uploading the game tomorrow. Now all the people who followed the rules and haven't uploaded their vids are at a disadvantage.

There are many, many good reasons not to hand out keys willy nilly. That said it would be good if PDS developed relations with non-english speaking channel owners so they could advertise their games ahead of release, but this is naturally harder, as PDS might not be able to communicate with them as readily, nor even watch their videos.

 

[Augustus93]

Culture is a thing, and not all countries have populations as well versed in English as much of northern Europe.

And even there, Germany and France both generally prefer their own language over English for both their TV shows and their games for instance.

Yes English is for the most part the Lingua Franca of the Western World, but that doesn't mean it should be the only viable option, especially if you're trying to open new markets that are not as well versed in the language.

Well of course not, however they can play the game in their own language when it comes out. What would Paradox miss out from that? A couple of preorders and some forum accounts, a couple of days earlier. Also you have to trust the people who you give out keys to, there have been games which were leaked previously and Paradox does not want that to happen at all.

 

[kalauer]

Russians don't know english on the necessair level

Steam says the game has russian Support. And obviously, you are already hyped about the game. So... what is your desire here?

@abaddondespoiler : Besides, I agree with previous post that glorifying Stalin is wrong. But that's your personal decision. Not illegal or anything, not even in the countries that suffered most because of him. But you should be aware that people will react to it according to their believes.

 

[Swami]

History is written by the winners. So yes, this is allowed

I do agree that the victory over the nazi's is mostly because of the Sovjet union and not the USA, despite of what most people in the west tend to believe. That's why usually I go against the USA fanboys that state that the USA can't do anything wrong because without them we would still be ruled by nazi's, by that logic the same people, usually hating on Russia, shouldn't be allowed to do that eiter because the Russian people brought even greater sacrifices in WW II. If the millions of German soldiers on the east front would have been free to deploy on the western front I even tend to believe that the USA might not have intervened at all, allthough the same can be said for the Sovjet Union as well, since they were merely defending themselfs and not doing it to liberate us.

Usually my point of view is be sceptic of everything and while thankfull my country got liberated it doesn't mean that the countries responsible for that are the same today and you shouldn't be sceptic towards them. Also know that most countries were foremost doing it out of own interest.

That being said it isn't even the policy that you shoot deserters that makes Stalin that bad, I mean there were other western countries that had that policy, even my own country, the Netherlands had a fight till the last man policy and to shoot traitors who disobeyed orders. Horrible but rather normal in those times, but the killing over millions and millions of civilians, starving half the Ukrain to dead, sending 1.5 million soviet prisoners of war to the Gulag after you've liberated them out of German concentrations camps, deporting people troughout the sovjet union and killing almost randomly amongst your own followers because you're paranoid that somebody may backstab you isn't anything that has to do with the war itself.

Things that the allies did like bombing Dresden are horrible but war is horrible and thus you can sort of see as needed in order to win, just as shooting 'traitors', while horrible, does ensure that you can keep on pushing. The most horrible deeds of Stalin weren't warcrimes, but crimes against his own people, made in peacetime before or after WWII and thus should be seen seperatly from the crimes commited against the enemy, which is always something that imo can be explained as 'needed' or at least a tool to win the war.

Unlinke many other people I know, I'm actually rather intriged by Russia and interested in it's history just like the history other European countries, I often defend the country or try to go against the USA fanboys, the same as I always defend Germany in WW I topics. But I can't understand why anybody would want to defend the horrors of Stalin, Russians out of all should hate that guy. Ah well, maybe I'm ranting offtopic here...

 

[abaddondespoiler]

They can quite easily not benefit from it, what's more they can be seriously harmed by it.
Russia is well known for pirating software. Give some Russians with no real ties to PDS a copy of the game? There is a chance (however small) that it won't end well.
Giving the game to people with whom PDS has no relations, and no investment in, could lead to some COD streamer getting a copy, and then ranting about how bad it is because it isn't a shooter. Maybe they actually are competent streamer/youtubers and interested in 4x/GSG, but since they have no relationship with PDS they decide to start streaming/uploading the game tomorrow. Now all the people who followed the rules and haven't uploaded their vids are at a disadvantage.

There are many, many good reasons not to hand out keys willy nilly. That said it would be good if PDS developed relations with non-english speaking channel owners so they could advertise their games ahead of release, but this is naturally harder, as PDS might not be able to communicate with them as readily, nor even watch their videos.

http://steamspy.com/country/RU

Of course, Russia is a small, poor country. With bears riding on bicicles. Come one, I have even heard about bloody commies here! More stereotypes to the throne of stereotypes!

 

[kalauer]

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War crimes are not needed to win a war. But I am pretty sure that there is a thread about it nextdoor.

 

[Ezumiyr]

They can quite easily not benefit from it, what's more they can be seriously harmed by it.
Russia is well known for pirating software. Give some Russians with no real ties to PDS a copy of the game? There is a chance (however small) that it won't end well.
Giving the game to people with whom PDS has no relations, and no investment in, could lead to some COD streamer getting a copy, and then ranting about how bad it is because it isn't a shooter. Maybe they actually are competent streamer/youtubers and interested in 4x/GSG, but since they have no relationship with PDS they decide to start streaming/uploading the game tomorrow. Now all the people who followed the rules and haven't uploaded their vids are at a disadvantage.

There are many, many good reasons not to hand out keys willy nilly. That said it would be good if PDS developed relations with non-english speaking channel owners so they could advertise their games ahead of release, but this is naturally harder, as PDS might not be able to communicate with them as readily, nor even watch their videos.

You're clearly being a xenophobe here. I don't think that we can say that every Russian gamer is a pirate, or an incompetent youtuber.
And even if it is the case, would you say that for every non-english youtuber ?

The language problem in the communication between Paradox and them is not a "that's how the market works argument", even if it's a valid one. But most western european know english well enough to communicate with Paradox, so the only problem would be : how to control that they don't say things they don't have the right to say ?
I would be curious to hear the "many, many good reasons not to hand out keys willy nilly.".

I still don't see how sending keys to more youtubers wouldn't benefit to Paradox, especially if they send them to youtubers who already do that kind of thing for other companies (like the two french channels I mentionned, but there are many others). It would just show the game to more people, and the game is localized in their language. The problem is still NDA - but those youtubers know what they're doing.

 

[KonradKurze202]

http://steamspy.com/country/RU

Of course, Russia is a small, poor country. With bears riding on bicicles. Come one, I have even heard about bloody commies here! More stereotypes to the throne of stereotypes!

Not sure how that relates to anything I posted at all.

 

[abaddondespoiler]

Steam says the game has russian Support. And obviously, you are already hyped about the game. So... what is your desire here?

@abaddondespoiler : Besides, I agree with previous post that glorifying Stalin is wrong. But that's your personal decision. Not illegal or anything, not even in the countries that suffered most because of him. But you should be aware that people will react to it according to their believes.

I've made that for fun. Stalin is a popular hero of "russian trash-half-sci-fi" books. Parodying them was funny a bit

 

[vgdf]

I dont know why the first post has so many dislikes ?
Yes, also people of other native languages can watch English videos.
But an russian youtuber with 75.000 subscribers has still a much bigger audience than an english one with 15.000.
More people could understand the english one but just in theory, in practice the russian one has far more viewers and there are much more english youtubers with keys so it is not like that now all people would watch the one english youtuber.

 

[abaddondespoiler]

War crimes are not needed to win a war. But I am pretty sure that there is a thread about it nextdoor.

Of course, US never did any crime. Same os UK, France or any other ally. You are CRYSTALLY-CLEAR, JUST LIKE MAIDEN

 

[abaddondespoiler]

Not sure how that relates to anything I posted at all.

That actually means here are lots of players

 

[abaddondespoiler]

I dont know why the first post has so many dislikes ?
Yes, also people of other native languages can watch English videos.
But an russian youtuber with 75.000 subscribers has still a much bigger audience than an english one with 15.000.
More people could understand the english one but just in theory, in practice the russian one has far more viewers and there are muchmore english youtubers with keys so it is not like that now all people would watch the one english youtuber.

That is possibly named "xenophobia"

 

[Yenzen]

I do agree that the victory over the nazi's is mostly because of the Sovjet union and not the USA, despite of what most people in the west tend to believe. That's why usually I go against the USA fanboys that state that the USA can't do anything wrong because without them we would still be ruled by nazi's, by that logic the same people, usually hating on Russia, shouldn't be allowed to do that eiter because the Russian people brought even greater sacrifices in WW II. If the millions of German soldiers on the east front would have been free to deploy on the western front I even tend to believe that the USA might not have intervened at all, allthough the same can be said for the Sovjet Union as well, since they were merely defending themselfs and not doing it to liberate us.

Usually my point of view is be sceptic of everything and while thankfull my country got liberated it doesn't mean that the countries responsible for that are the same today and you shouldn't be sceptic towards them. Also know that most countries were foremost doing it out of own interest.

That being said it isn't even the policy that you shoot deserters that makes Stalin that bad, I mean there were other western countries that had that policy, even my own country, the Netherlands had a fight till the last man policy and to shoot traitors who disobeyed orders. Horrible but rather normal in those times, but the killing over millions and millions of civilians, starving half the Ukrain to dead, sending 1.5 million soviet prisoners of war to the Gulag after you've liberated them out of German concentrations camps, deporting people troughout the sovjet union and killing almost randomly amongst your own followers because you're paranoid that somebody may backstab you isn't anything that has to do with the war itself.

Things that the allies did like bombing Dresden are horrible but war is horrible and thus you can sort of see as needed in order to win, just as shooting 'traitors', while horrible, does ensure that you can keep on pushing. The most horrible deeds of Stalin weren't warcrimes, but crimes against his own people, made in peacetime before or after WWII and thus should be seen seperatly from the crimes commited against the enemy, which is always something that imo can be explained as 'needed' or at least a tool to win the war.

Unlinke many other people I know, I'm actually rather intriged by Russia and interested in it's history just like the history other European countries, I often defend the country or try to go against the USA fanboys, the same as I always defend Germany in WW I topics. But I can't understand why anybody would want to defend the horrors of Stalin, Russians out of all should hate that guy. Ah well, maybe I'm ranting offtopic here...

The worship of Stalin has been going up recently. I guess it's convenient to start looking to the guy who was at the head of the country when they defeated the Germans and won WW2 and expanded rapidly. Not going down that road if invading Eastern Europe was called for, it was the style at the time and it should have been expected.

But honestly, despite the power inherent in using hero depictions of former leaders, even his successors admitted that he was a horrible and brutal person as much to Russia itself as any other country.