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Yes. And if Galileo didn't insult the pope in the work he did FOR the pope and with the pope's money...
The best Galileo argument for heliocentrism - I have right, because you have s**t in head. Similar words was used by Galileo in his process.
Overall - he was a boor and a braggart.

And curios - after the process Galileo got from pope to own the palace in Rome and a constant salary.
 

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Another strangely PC and anti-European decision Paradox has made is to cut off the silk road before it reaches Constantinople. This is not only absurd but also shows a distinct lack of respect for European history. I know it's not politically correct to say these things anymore, but someone has to do it. Very disappointed in Paradox.
 

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Another strangely PC and anti-European decision Paradox has made is to cut off the silk road before it reaches Constantinople. This is not only absurd but also shows a distinct lack of respect for European history. I know it's not politically correct to say these things anymore, but someone has to do it. Very disappointed in Paradox.

Constantinople and by extension the Kingdom of Greece is rich enough as it is. The Empire is strong enough as is. You would need to massively nerf other moneymaking measures in the entire Byz area to counterbalance the riches of the Silk Road, which just is not viable.
 

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Another strangely PC and anti-European decision Paradox has made is to cut off the silk road before it reaches Constantinople. This is not only absurd but also shows a distinct lack of respect for European history. I know it's not politically correct to say these things anymore, but someone has to do it. Very disappointed in Paradox.

What about your post was not politically correct... but I neither see way Paradox was Politically Correct and anti-European in this topic...

So they have a game with incest, rape, war, banishing Jews, killing children, death sounds for every situation, events about slavery... Yes very PC...
 

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Another strangely PC and anti-European decision Paradox has made is to cut off the silk road before it reaches Constantinople. This is not only absurd but also shows a distinct lack of respect for European history. I know it's not politically correct to say these things anymore, but someone has to do it. Very disappointed in Paradox.
Yeah, you can burn every single infidel in your realm, choose to rape some of your females captives, force a pregnant woman to give birth in a cell before executing her baby, raze an entire kingdom, allow your population to attack every single Jew by blaming them for the Black Death, secude your sister to sleep with you and bear your children, but PI is too "politically correct".
No, not giving Byzantium a trade-post is not being anti-european. It's just a game balance decision. Byzantium is already very rich, even after the Fourth Crusade, when it loses 2 or 3 settlements. If you really want Byzantium to be the end of the Silk Road, you can add one.
 

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Funny to see things like "Byzantium has no silk road, this game is anti-european", whereas in the game, you will almost never see the Seljuks kicking Byzantines' asses and stripping them of Anatolia. Byzantium is definitely underpowered.
The troll is definitely overpowered
 

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The best Galileo argument for heliocentrism - I have right, because you have s**t in head. Similar words was used by Galileo in his process.
Overall - he was a boor and a braggart.

And curios - after the process Galileo got from pope to own the palace in Rome and a constant salary.
I'm not going to look it up, but I recall Einstein once basically said, "Based on Galileo's actual evidence, I would have agreed with the Church."

But then, so many things have been attributed to him since Einstein became a synonym for super genius.
 

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Have you people seriously not figured out Black Turtle's a troll by now? Really?
Yup, once he and his fellas started using terms like post-mordernist buzzwords, political correctness, Europe haters or anti-Europeanness, I noticed, they are no longer talking about a game, but some deeper frustrations which no argument whatsoever (especially not based on this game and its workings) could ever resolve. Those people seem to be convinced about some anti-European conspiracy which has taken over PDX and probably is doing a cultural genocide of glorious catholic Europe. Endgame for me.

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The fact is that the game is and will always be based on medieval Europe and that Europe has and will always have the most features. There still are and will be more features uniquely based on the way things worked in catholic Europe than in all other parts of the map combined (though some of these features are and will be presented as generic or universal, which they are not).
Europe is and has to be better represented than any other part of the map, simply because most of PDS customers have links to Europe and are most interested in Europe. And I agree and think it is perfectly okay this way.

They don't work perfectly and especially they don't work as some of us would want. But despite them often malfunctioning, they still are designed much less generic than any mechanics for the RotW. Each part of RotW has one DLC and that's it - it all has to be put in that one DLC. Many places, like Africa, got none.
Each of those DLCs tries to add also some mechanic to Europe (except perhaps the very first SoI), just like every European or generic (which translates generalized European mechanic) tries to add something to tRotW, usually a picture or textual localisation or even an event chain or two.

I think we don't need to compare if a game is enriched more by a mechanic on one hand or an event/event chain or textual localisation on the other. If somebody thinks they are on par, there's no point in having a discussion.

I think the game mechanics should work little differently. Be more customizable to better reflect various cultural differences of various part of the map (I mean even in Eureop - things worked differently in Poland, Bulgaria or Spain than they did in England). That way we wouldn't have this terrible disballance in which there are cultures/religions which totally lack anything what would make the game interesting as them (I'm looking at you, West Africa, Baltic Pagans, Russia).
Some of us complain that crusades, council of Cardinals, Republics, Societies, the Conclave, Viceroyalties, various succession laws etc. don't work as they should. Or that we can't play as Religious characters.. But at least they are there and work somehow similar to the way they worked in medieval Europe.

Africa has none of those, is limited to one type of succession and except graphical pack(s) it did not receive a single game mechanic or featire (and IIRC not even a specific event chain). Not a single one. The entire muslim world, covering larger part of map then Europe and in most of the medieval period far more developed and diverse, has one single succession law with which you can't do much) and one single specific mechanic (broken even more than crusades), and about 3-4 specific event chains. You can expand only through war. How does that compare to catholic Europe in which you can play with succession laws etc. and use marriages to expand! That's what I call anti-European cultural bias!
 
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Have you people seriously not figured out Black Turtle's a troll by now? Really?
Yup, once him and his fellas started mentioning terms like post-mordernist buzzwords, political correctness, Europe haters or anti-Europeanness, I noticed, they are no longer talking about a game, but some deeper frustrations which no argument whatsoever (especially not based on this game and its workings) could ever resolve. Those people seem to be convinced about some anti-European conspiracy which has taken over PDX and probably is doing a cultural genocide of glorious catholic Europe. Engame for me.
What I found puzzling is that his earlier posts are for more Chinese immersion and then suddenly switched to complaining about the lack of attention to Europe.
 

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Yup, once him and his fellas started mentioning terms like post-mordernist buzzwords, political correctness, Europe haters or anti-Europeanness, I noticed, they are no longer talking about a game, but some deeper frustrations which no argument whatsoever (especially not based on this game and its workings) could ever resolve. Those people seem to be convinced about some anti-European conspiracy which has taken over PDX and probably is doing a cultural genocide of glorious catholic Europe. Engame for me.
I'll give him props for racking up some record high respectfully disagrees, though.

Say what you want, he's obviously upset a lot of people, which means he was successful.
 

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Constantinople and by extension the Kingdom of Greece is rich enough as it is. The Empire is strong enough as is. You would need to massively nerf other moneymaking measures in the entire Byz area to counterbalance the riches of the Silk Road, which just is not viable.

well, one can arque that adding more provs to ere enemies and giving them more money via silk road additing to thier teritories will justify boost to ere too.
 

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well, one can arque that adding more provs to ere enemies and giving them more money via silk road additing to thier teritories will justify boost to ere too.
Persia and Arabia got few provinces but those are really very few and they got no big boost from silk road, so there's no real justification for that... unless Anatolia is heavily nerfed
 

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well, one can arque that adding more provs to ere enemies and giving them more money via silk road additing to thier teritories will justify boost to ere too.

"ERE enemies" being almost out of diplomatic range and kingdom of Persia and Mesopotamia each getting split =/= getting stronger.

Also Silk Road mechanics are being changed, as opposed to getting buffed. For example, it looks like the strongest duchy pair in game, Sanaa and Oman, are about to get nerfed with this map change. Their removal from the kingdom of Arabia will also be a nerf.
 

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Persia and Arabia got few provinces but those are really very few and they got no big boost from silk road, so there's no real justification for that... unless Anatolia is heavily nerfed

hmm, if adding silk road did give just small amount of extra money, so why you asume that extending silk road to constaninopole will give them great loads of money, instead of just small amount as to others ?
 

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hmm, if adding silk road did give just small amount of extra money, so why you asume that extending silk road to constaninopole will give them great loads of money, instead of just small amount as to others ?

Make no mistake Silk Road currently gives vasts amount of money to whoever holds the trade posts. It is balanced however with most Silk Road ricipients being in landlocked counties. Greece however is almost entirely coastal. I think only one county, the one in Nikaea, is actually landlocked.

Also why Sanaa and Oman are currently (but probably no longer after map change) the best duchy combo in the game. 5 Silk Road counties between these two duchies, and routes you can upgrade substantially as well. On top of also being coastal for potential MR extra money.
 

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Make no mistake Silk Road currently gives vasts amount of money to whoever holds the trade posts. It is balanced however with most Silk Road ricipients being in landlocked counties. Greece however is almost entirely coastal. I think only one county, the one in Nikaea, is actually landlocked.

Also why Sanaa and Oman are currently (but probably no longer after map change) the best duchy combo in the game. 5 Silk Road counties between these two duchies, and routes you can upgrade substantially as well. On top of also being coastal for potential MR extra money.

well, if trade post is giving way more money than just passing trhought road, then yeah, nerfing money income in ere to compensate for extra income from silk road will be resonable, and need to say , even more historicaly acurate, booth to simulate constantinipole reliance on silk road income and that it was actualy present there, not as it is now in game.