Has anyone seen Soviet AI beat Germany?

[unmerged(45184)]

Anyone? Except ofcourse in the 1944 scenario

Even when I played as Rep. Spain and had a second front in the west diverting the germans the Soviets got overun. How about DD?

 

[Rick Middleton]

IIRC if you play on a hard or very hard level it gives the Germans such an IC bonus that they're damned near impossible to beat.

 

[krieger11b]

It would make sense for Gemany to win or at least not loose to the USSR. The computer does not have to deal with Hitler being an idiot. No Stalingrad, no diversion of Army Group Center being diverted to Ukraine, and then suddenly back to Moscow when it was too late in the year for them to capture it, lots of other examples out there.

 

[blue emu]

It would make sense for Gemany to win or at least not loose to the USSR. The computer does not have to deal with Hitler being an idiot.

... or more correctly, all of the AI-run countries are led by idiots... so Germany suffers no special handicap in that regard.

 

[foriavik]

Yes I saw the soviets several times beating the germans, but only if The allies open a second.

 

[unmerged(46069)]

... or more correctly, all of the AI-run countries are led by idiots... so Germany suffers no special handicap in that regard.

You said it absolutely correct. As a matter of fact, once as US I edited the lend-lease event so I supplied the USSR with 6 IC (+bonuses) every TWO WEEKS!! and they still lost. Can you believe that?
And IMHO, germany was bound to lose eventually, with or without Hitler. You just can't realistically expect to beat both US and USSR.

 

[unmerged(55656)]

Anyone? Except ofcourse in the 1944 scenario

I actually have never seen that... I always load as Cuba, and just let them lead their war in Europe.

The American troops always run over France within weeks, reach Berlin around Oktober 44 to February 45 and get a decent amount of Poland and Czechoslovakia, while the Brits take Hungary and balkan area before they sea-invade Finland... the Russians always advance a little bit towards west, mostly not further than Warszaw... in an earlier game, they even got pushed back until the Americans had walked through Poland and took the German capital of Leningrad!

 

[The Red Baron]

Hmm, in all my games the Soviets, after being pushed to outskirts of Moscow normally halt the germans there. Normally I play another nation that eventually intervenes in my own D-Day and I reguarly meet up with the Soviets in the Berlin area. I think the USSR in my game would win, albeit more slowly, without my intervention but maybe thats just me.

 

[AlanC9]

This depends on the scenario. The 36 scenario is unbalanced in favor of Germany -- they get more production earlier, so they end up having a bigger army relative to other nations than they historically did. In 39 and 41 scenarios the Soviets often do quite well. I've seen Barbarossa stall for good at the Dvina-Dniepr line several times. One time the Soviets were in Paris by January 1944.

 

[Gen.Schuermann]

Anyone? Except ofcourse in the 1944 scenario

Even when I played as Rep. Spain and had a second front in the west diverting the germans the Soviets got overun. How about DD?

I saw it 'almost' happening sometimes. yet before that i would close the game because i wouldn't be able to stand that thought
I think it just depends on the actions they did, sometimes they win, sometimes they do not. It is defo possible though, especially in the long run. But i have yet to see a game where germany got moscow and leningrad and lose afterwards. If they lose, they generally do not get moscow etc. and then gets driven back.

 

[unmerged(55467)]

I've never seen them do anything but do that.

 

[ForzaA]

I usually see the Soviets (eventually) beat the Germans, yes. (playing as NatChi, Italy etc.)

The Germans often get to Moscow or thereabouts.. but they'll usually collapse sooner or later, and then the Soviets make a comeback.

 

[Kami888]

I usually see the Soviets (eventually) beat the Germans, yes. (playing as NatChi, Italy etc.)

The Germans often get to Moscow or thereabouts.. but they'll usually collapse sooner or later, and then the Soviets make a comeback.

This is how the game is supposed to work, but I don't see it work that way (unless all admins are playing some different versions of the game that regular members do ) In any case I demand a proof.

 

[AOK. 11]

This depends on the scenario. The 36 scenario is unbalanced in favor of Germany -- they get more production earlier, so they end up having a bigger army relative to other nations than they historically did. In 39 and 41 scenarios the Soviets often do quite well. I've seen Barbarossa stall for good at the Dvina-Dniepr line several times. One time the Soviets were in Paris by January 1944.

This is my experience as well.

In 36' GC the Germans win a total victory at least 75-80% of the time. In 39' GC it is about even in my experience and in 41' the Soviets usually win.

 

[scubasteve1233]

ever since doomsday i've never seen Germany win. They also get to the outskirts of moscow and never take kiev and are always eventually pushed back. it happens faster with a second front but its not really necessary. Get daim. It makes the ai and gameplay more equal. Espically between ai and human.

 

[Acheron]

I my last pre-1.2 game, Germany was within a province of Moscow. Don't know if they had taken it, I was playing Italy and a week later I was in Austria.

 

[zenith23]

I think the Sov AI makes a much better show of its self in 1.3b. Last Allied game i played i had to get move on and do an early DD as they began pushing the germans back by mid 43 and i had a nice little race to get to Berlin before they did.

 

[unmerged(57587)]

SOV Ai seems to do better in later year scenarios then 36 or 38.
But as said above, no AI is completely spectacular in any regards and usually differs based on who u control and whut front you operate on.
Say USA, u can stay out of the war and watch GER just run wild while, say, u stay in the Pacific.
I played as Sweden and found Germany crush SOV both before patch and after pact 1.2.
Just all depends on if u react at all.

 

[unmerged(48534)]

I've seen it in the GC with USA. I'd made the junction in the Oder.

 

[unmerged(55246)]

If Germany is played by a human player , never .

They simply loose too much of their army (even though not significantly more than in RL) in the first 2 - 3 months .
By loading saved games and looking what they were doing I noticed that they go very early in a panic mode and overload their TC with strategical deployments .
The thing is that they are sending their armies to places that will fall before the armies get there .
So they are basically in a permanent state of unpreparedness from which they can't recover .

The one thing that can save SU is US going in war very early and threaten France .

The only thing that looks non realistic are the minors .
Hungary , Romania , Slovakia , Bulgary , Finland and liberated Ukraine provide so many units that the concentrated Wehrmacht is unstoppable .
A german player (human or AI) can easily leave the southern half of the front to his allies and only bother about the northern half .
Once he gets Leningrad and Moscow , he swings south and it's game over for the Soviets .
If in RL Germany had total military control of its allies as well as of Italy like in the game then the SU wouldn't probably stand a chance either .