Has anyone managed to unify the roman empire?

[dantescritic]

Seems impossible, does anyone have screenshots? Are you renamed "Caesar"? What exactly occurs.

Thanks

 

[Sforzesco]

Some people have conquered the whole map. Does it count?

 

[Atridij]

I conquered the entire map, but my end date is set around 9. August 19992465.

 

[Yazman]

Some people have conquered the whole map. Does it count?

If they didn't form the Roman Empire using the LOR system, no, it doesn't. Obviously.

 

[JonStryker]

There are examples for this in the "show your empire" thread.

 

[Lord Finnish]

Started in 1081

 

[Wannabemarco]

I did it, not a big deal tho.
I started as Duke of Rostov in 1066, made a Russian Empire, merged it with ERE, and by 1400, restored the Roman Empire. Last 50 years were focused on WC. I achieved it in 1449.

But it's not very hard actually, but i guess it might depend on the power of HRE and muslims to take back the lands you need to trigger the decision.

 

[smeggy]

Reenstablishing Rome gets your char a special title & trait: http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/866079490443421408/42B41EAC6350F9606E692467FC3F6CF79CB85A11/

After mending of the schism, when the orthodox church is reinstalled in o.a. Rome: http://cloud-2.steampowered.com/ugc/866079490440311643/571820A0E2DD591B211D566529FDB872600CEB27/

(big 1920x1280 screenshots ^^)

 

[NosgothKingdom]

Started in 1081

View attachment 69313

DAT Ilkhanate!

I had a very similar empire with the 1.07 patch, but went a bit further in the near east (and was about 1400).
But with the new patch, it should be much more difficult, right?

If I remember it right, you don't get the imperial blablabla roman causus belli until you reform the empire and it does not give you all the lands, it makes vassals when possible, so not anymore just putting a bunch of orthodox greeks to rule all places. Ain't it?

 

[Alyiakal]

They completely broke the Imperial Reconquest CB in the latest patch; it's behaviour is very inconsistent and at times it does nothing except usurp a duchy title (I've seen people reporting it usurps the title from their own vassals after a foreign war >.<). They should be fixing this for the latest patch.

At any rate, the Imperial Reconquest CB is inferior to simply holy warring your way through heathen territory. You only really need to worry about finding claimants for the Italian peninsula/forging a claim on Latium, because once you've restored the Pentarchy, Catholicism becomes a becomes a heresy and you are free to holy war them as well (along with getting free revocations on any Catholics still in your realm with enough CA).

 

[Lord Finnish]

DAT Ilkhanate!

They started in Hungary, believe or not. Their initial spawn got screwed and their hordes were stuck with no land, then they declared war on Hungary who were holding land in Russia. Instead of going for the border they dived into Hungary itself and so the mongols and hungarians basically switched places.

 

[ASPGolan]

Well, that escalated quickly.
Of course its possible, do you meet the criteria to do so?

 

[Hackworthy]

http://cloud-2.steampowered.com/ugc/900979638151406866/1CC5440FF7101ED038137429348D84EFCC921ABD/

That's as far as I got before my old computer died and I lost the save. Your title becomes Emperor and your rulers gain the 'Augustus' trait.

 

[Pode]

So, gathering from above and elsewhere, my understanding is you need to:
1. Be Byz Emperor
2. Be Orthodox
3. Rule over Rome? and / or all of Latium? and / or all of Italy?
which lets you
4. Mend the Schism, which Catholics can't do?
Which lets you
4.5 treat Catholics as heretics
5. Reform Rome
which lets you
6. Imperial Conquest CB - nawt sew grate aktuallee
7. Imperial Admin - revoke duchy titles for free so long as there's no king between you and the duke

So no possibility to crusade with a Catholic reformed Rome?

 

[shypixel]

a) You do not need to mend the schism to become the Roman Empire.

b) There is nothing stopping you from becoming Catholic after becoming the Roman Empire.

-therefore-

c) It is theoretically possible to undergo a Crusade as the Roman Empire.


(and don't listen to all the haters about the Imperial Conquest CB, it rocks. They are usually comparing it to how it worked pre-1.08, when you didn't need to have reformed the empire to use it. No matter how you shake it, the IC CB beats the hell out of waiting for claims)

 

[Pode]

OK, dug thru the Dev Diaries looking for help

Ambitious emperors will no doubt try to reclaim some of Rome's former glory by restoring the Empire's lost territory. If they or their imperial vassals hold certain provinces, they will have the opportunity to restore the Roman Empire. This decision essentially signifies that the West has no choice but to accept the Byzantines as the true heirs of Rome's legacy. You will get a new title (complete with a new flag, of course), and the rulers of a restored Rome always get the ”Augustus” trait, which gives a slight boost to vassal relations. If you wish it, there is a decision to move your capital to Rome, though the city scarcely compares to Constantinople in this era so you will likely have to invest a lot of gold and time to rebuild it.

Another major decision, of course, is to mend the Great Schism between the Catholic and Orthodox churches. You will need to reunite the Pentarchy (Constantinople, Antioch, Jerusalem, Alexandria and Rome) under Byzantine and Orthodox rule and accumulate a great deal of piety. When this decision is taken, Catholicism will become a heresy and Catholic rulers across Europe will have to decide whether to convert or not. A few will refuse, and Europe will likely be plagued by religious unrest for some time, but the first step has now been taken to unite Christendom under a single church.

So reforming Rome give the IC CB and the IA revocation ability, and to do it you need to be Byz Emp and rule over ... what? Starting Byz and Italian peninsula? De jure Byz including K_Sicily and Latium? Just Rome and Constantinople?

Mending the schism makes Catholics heretics, so holy war CB and heretic title revocation (no equivalent for a Catholic Byz to make Orthodox heretic?). To do it you need to be Byz Emp, put Pentarchs in the 5 Pentarchies, and burn a ton of piety. Anything else?

It seems that the 2 decisions have similar effects, a title revoking power and an additional CB. IA lets you revoke any duchy title, not just heretics', so that's better right? How does IC compare to HW CB? IC would seem to be usable on anyone, but if it just gives you the duchy level title there's a good case for HW instead. Can you IC a kingdom?

Currently Catholic holder of K_Italy and K_Sicily, scheming for first son to become HRE, while 4th son's 1st son is next in line for Byz through a lucky marriage for me and an unlucky one for Byz. Trying to understand the mechanics and choose the family path.

 

[Alyiakal]

There are a series of duchies you need to COMPLETELY control (including all the minor holdings) in order to reform Rome. Pulled directly from decisions, they are...

completely_controls = d_latium
completely_controls = d_venice
completely_controls = d_ferrara
completely_controls = d_sicily
completely_controls = d_genoa
completely_controls = d_capua
completely_controls = d_apulia
completely_controls = d_thrace
completely_controls = d_antioch
completely_controls = d_jerusalem
completely_controls = d_alexandria
completely_controls = d_athens
completely_controls = d_tunis
completely_controls = d_croatia

EDIT: Also, you don't have to burn piety to mend the schism, but it does require 2000 piety already stockpiled. Holy wars against Muslims/Pagans are a great way to get this.

 

[Puritan]

I'm doing a Byz>Roman Empire game now as Alexio Komnenos dynasty from the Alexiad start. I love the popups you get when you reclaim one of the provinces like Caledonia, or Mauritania. I'm taking my time fulfilling the "Old Borders" event (req below):

### Roman Borders Restored

# Roman Borders
narrative_event = {
	id = LoR.40
	title = "EVTNAMELoR.40"
	desc = "EVTDESCLoR.40"
	
	picture = "GFX_evt_rome_restored_byzantine"
	
	ai = no
	
	trigger = {
		has_dlc = "Legacy of Rome"
		OR = {
			has_landed_title = e_byzantium
			has_landed_title = e_roman_empire
		}
		religion_group = christian
		NOT = { has_global_flag = roman_borders }
		
		completely_controls = d_northumberland
		completely_controls = d_lancaster
		completely_controls = d_york
		completely_controls = d_norfolk
		completely_controls = d_oxford
		completely_controls = d_bedford
		completely_controls = d_hereford
		completely_controls = d_gloucester
		completely_controls = d_canterbury
		completely_controls = d_somerset
		completely_controls = d_gwynedd
		completely_controls = d_deheubarth
		completely_controls = d_cornwall
		
		completely_controls = d_latium
		completely_controls = d_venice
		completely_controls = d_verona
		completely_controls = d_susa
		completely_controls = d_lombardia
		completely_controls = d_genoa
		completely_controls = d_modena
		completely_controls = d_ferrara
		completely_controls = d_toscana
		completely_controls = d_pisa
		completely_controls = d_ancona
		completely_controls = d_spoleto
		completely_controls = d_benevento
		completely_controls = d_capua
		completely_controls = d_apulia
		completely_controls = d_salerno
		completely_controls = d_calabria
		completely_controls = d_sicily
		
		completely_controls = d_oultrejourdain
		completely_controls = d_edessa
		completely_controls = d_antioch
		completely_controls = d_aleppo
		completely_controls = d_tripoli
		completely_controls = d_syria
		completely_controls = d_damascus
		completely_controls = d_galilee
		completely_controls = d_jerusalem
		completely_controls = d_ascalon
		
		completely_controls = d_aswan
		completely_controls = d_alexandria
		completely_controls = d_damietta
		completely_controls = d_cairo
		completely_controls = d_sinai
		
		completely_controls = d_cyrenaica
		
		completely_controls = d_tripolitania
		completely_controls = d_tunis
		completely_controls = d_kabylia
		
		completely_controls = d_carinthia
		completely_controls = d_rashka
		completely_controls = d_dioclea
		completely_controls = d_slavonia
		completely_controls = d_bosnia
		completely_controls = d_croatia
		completely_controls = d_dalmatia
		completely_controls = d_slavonia
		
		completely_controls = d_normandy
		completely_controls = d_berry
		completely_controls = d_anjou
		completely_controls = d_orleans
		completely_controls = d_champagne
		completely_controls = d_valois
		completely_controls = d_burgundy
		completely_controls = d_aquitaine
		completely_controls = d_toulouse
		completely_controls = d_gascogne
		completely_controls = d_poitou
		completely_controls = d_auvergne
		completely_controls = d_bourbon
		completely_controls = d_brittany
		completely_controls = d_provence
		completely_controls = d_savoie
		completely_controls = d_dauphine
		completely_controls = d_upper_burgundy
		
		completely_controls = d_galicia
		completely_controls = d_castilla
		completely_controls = d_aragon
		completely_controls = d_barcelona
		completely_controls = d_valencia
		completely_controls = d_mallorca
		completely_controls = d_navarra
		completely_controls = d_asturias
		completely_controls = d_leon
		completely_controls = d_porto
		completely_controls = d_beja
		completely_controls = d_algarve
		completely_controls = d_cordoba
		completely_controls = d_murcia
		completely_controls = d_granada
		completely_controls = d_sevilla
		completely_controls = d_badajoz
		completely_controls = d_toledo
		
		completely_controls = d_marrakech
		completely_controls = d_tangiers
		completely_controls = d_fes
		completely_controls = d_alger
		completely_controls = d_tlemcen
		
		completely_controls = d_nikaea
		completely_controls = d_samos
		completely_controls = d_aegean_islands
		completely_controls = d_thrace
		completely_controls = d_adrianopolis
		completely_controls = d_thessalonika
		completely_controls = d_dyrrachion
		completely_controls = d_epirus
		completely_controls = d_athens
		completely_controls = d_achaia
		completely_controls = d_krete
		completely_controls = d_cyprus
		completely_controls = d_cibyrrhaeot
		
		completely_controls = d_anatolia
		completely_controls = d_thracesia
		completely_controls = d_charsianon
		completely_controls = d_armeniacon
		completely_controls = d_paphlagonia
		completely_controls = d_trebizond
		
		completely_controls = d_edessa
		completely_controls = d_coloneia
		completely_controls = d_armenia_minor
		
		completely_controls = d_vidin
		completely_controls = d_turnovo
		completely_controls = d_karvuna
	}
	
	option = {
		name = "EVTOPTALoR.40"
		set_global_flag = roman_borders
		prestige = 1000
	}
}

It seems that the 2 decisions have similar effects, a title revoking power and an additional CB. IA lets you revoke any duchy title, not just heretics', so that's better right? How does IC compare to HW CB? IC would seem to be usable on anyone, but if it just gives you the duchy level title there's a good case for HW instead. Can you IC a kingdom?

IC should give you the entire Duchy, and all the holdings in it. Sometimes (especially when the target is in revolt against the liege) it just gives the duchy title. I believe I've also had it take the Duchy title from my Vassal once in that case as well. But most of the time it's WAD.

 

[Lorehead]

So no possibility to crusade with a Catholic reformed Rome?

Your information is mistaken, or out-of-date. In 1.08, the requirements are: you must be the Byzantine Emperor, Christian, at least 16, not imprisoned, and not incapable. You must completely control all the duchies in a list. Playing as the Byzantine Emperor, you can go to the Intrigue screen and mouseover the requirements to see them. You don’t have to have mended the schism first, but since you’re playing as the Byzantine Empire and the territories you need to control include Rome, Constantinople, Alexandria, Antioch and Jerusalem, you’ll always have the opportunity on the way.

Ther is no requirement that you be Orthodox to form Rome, only that you be Christian. There is at present no decision to restore the Pentarchy as any other faith but Orthodox. You could convert to Catholicism (or, for that matter, you could play as an Armenian Monophysite or any other kind of Christian) before or after you form Rome. The devs really don’t seem to have considered the possibility, though; for example, if you appoint an Orthodox Patriarch of Constantinople, a Miaphysite Patriarch of Alexandria or a Monothelite Patriarch of Antioch, they’ll immediately hand over the title to the head of their religion, who will become your vassal, but this does not happen for a Catholic bishop of Rome.

Therefore, you can form the Roman Empire as a Catholic, without cheating, but only by appointing a Catholic bishop of Rome who is not the Pope. In a test game, giving the See of Rome to the Pope made him independent, which broke my complete control of the duchy of Latium. I could appoint a different Catholic bishop of Rome, and make him antipope, but forcing the Pope to abdicate made my antipope independent again. Perhaps the idea is that the Medieval popes would not have approved of giving up their secular power and becoming a mere vassal of the emperor in Constantinople, even if he claimed to convert while making war on them. But, surely that would not apply to a pope you appointed yourself? So, of the options available without cheating, the antipope option is the most historically plausible. You could also just wait until you’ve become Augustus to eliminate the Pope, and let the bishopric of Roma go then.

The flavor text also assumes that a Byzantine emperor who captures Rome is Orthodox.

 

[Pode]

Hmm. So a Catholic who wants to reform Rome needs for the Pope to be evicted from Rome (in which case you'd have to reform Rome quickly before the Pope asked for Rome back, or have an antipope in Rome to buy you time), or to vassalize the Pope by inviting a kingdom level claimant, mkaing him a bishop, pressing his kingdom claim, making the new King-Bishop vassal an antipope, then pressing his claim on the Papacy/Rome to produce a vassal Pope in Rome.

So to compare Catholic Reformed Empire to Orthodox Mended Schism
-IA lets you revoke any duchy. Heretic revoke would let you revoke Catholic kingdoms as well as duchies. Advantage depends on number of non-vassal kings who stay Catholic. Most likely IA will be more useful.
-IC when it works right is the same as HW but can target anyone. Advantage IC.
-Catholic Empire can still get Crusades and Holy Orders. Advantage Catholic

So it seems the family dream should be to get oldest made HRE, do all we can to help cadet branch hold ERE, cousin marry and unite the branches ASAP, and look for opportunities to create a vassal Pope and/or evict the Pope from Rome, in hopes of eventually leading a restored Catholic Roman Empire on Crusade.