Has a dev commented on whether the ai uses sortie?

[ldevarga]

Question is in the title. Has anyone seen an answer? Or better yet, seen the ai sortie? does it need high level forts?

 

[ldevarga]

Ok so I set GARRISON_SIZE to 20000 in defines.lua and started a game as france, I then sent 1k cav to normandy a level 3 fort with a garrison of 60000 , and deleted all my other troops and my vassals, the english did not sortie. I presume this means either that number is so big the ai thinks I'm joking, or it doesn't sortie (or it's really really bad at calculating the odds of success). I also set the price of sortie to 1 mil point in the vague hope that that might encourage them.

 

[hwoosh]

That's disappointing. But also good to know for playing sp...

 

[Osric]

I -thought- I encountered an AI sortie from Malacca when I had their last province under siege (the other one was occupied). Three thousand Malaccans from nowhere made an absolute mess of my siege stack. I can only presume the AI even timed the sortie with a unit spawn since it was a Level 2 Fort.

Some kind of confirmation or denial would be much appreciated.

 

[Bragi]

Ok so I set GARRISON_SIZE to 20000 in defines.lua and started a game as france, I then sent 1k cav to normandy a level 3 fort with a garrison of 60000 , and deleted all my other troops and my vassals, the english did not sortie. I presume this means either that number is so big the ai thinks I'm joking, or it doesn't sortie (or it's really really bad at calculating the odds of success). I also set the price of sortie to 1 mil point in the vague hope that that might encourage them.

OK, obviously something doesn't work out in the AI calculation. Or a missing command line prevent the AI to use this option at all.

 

[ldevarga]

OK, obviously something doesn't work out in the AI calculation. Or a missing command line prevent the AI to use this option at all.

Yeah its seems odd that they would make it player only and not mention it anywhere.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

It's probably similar to co-belligerents. The AI is probably not capable of using it well without the player baiting it into insta-occupations (or just easy assaults) and/or burning all of its military power and then spanking it like a joke a few years later because it's behind in tech.

 

[ldevarga]

It's probably similar to co-belligerents. The AI is probably not capable of using it well without the player baiting it into insta-occupations (or just easy assaults) and/or burning all of its military power and then spanking it like a joke a few years later because it's behind in tech.

I wouldn't mind if the ai got to check through the fow to calculate whether or not to use it, I also wouldn't mind if it got it for no mil point cost.
Though it wouldn't get many chances to use it as its not often you leave your troops totally unsupported, it would nice to see the ai take advantage of your occasional forgetfulness/ mistake/laziness.

 

[unmerged(576153)]

I got a sortie once when I foolishly left just a 2k stack on a 2k garrison(I lost, couldn't reinforce at that moment). Otherwise, I can safely leave 3k stacks instead of two, which means, and I assume it works for stronger forts, as long as you have 1-2k more men you're good(though for the higher level forts you need a lot of cannons and/or a good siege general).

 

[TyrannisUmbra]

I -thought- I encountered an AI sortie from Malacca when I had their last province under siege (the other one was occupied). Three thousand Malaccans from nowhere made an absolute mess of my siege stack. I can only presume the AI even timed the sortie with a unit spawn since it was a Level 2 Fort.

Some kind of confirmation or denial would be much appreciated.

I've had "3k troops out of nowhere" happen too, in my Poland game, but I don't think it can be a sortie since I did defeat them and it didn't instantly give me the province like it should have if it was a sortie.

 

[Mamluke]

It's probably similar to co-belligerents. The AI is probably not capable of using it well without the player baiting it into insta-occupations (or just easy assaults) and/or burning all of its military power and then spanking it like a joke a few years later because it's behind in tech.

the AI can see through the fog of war, the AI has everything it needs to make the calculate decision. perhaps wiz did not had enough time to prepare this?