No. If the vassal has cores in the enemy territory, they will occupy it in their own name.
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No. If the vassal has cores in the enemy territory, they will occupy it in their own name.
Oh, that's good. Don't think that'll do anything for Auvergne but Foix does have a core on Roussillon...
I would say Corfu, you start as a venice vassal, which they want to annex ASAP. if you break free, venice want you even more, as it's also a venice core. Ottoman is right on your doorstep. Byzantium has core on it too. Don't think it's possible at all. Top it off, you are eastern tech as well fighting mainly western and ottoman tech. base tax 4 isnt the worst, but still prtty bad
But you're at least coastal so the escape route is more open.
I have to think Pskov is pretty spectacularly hard to deal with being a land-locked OPM vassal between 4 large nations that all would be happy to eat you if you manage to break loose.
Chimu got BUFFED. They're no longer a candidate. Prior to 1.4, they started out losing money with 3 units, and couldn't see all of Inca. In 1.4, they can see all of Inca, and can field 7 troops (barely) at first.
I vassal'd Inca in 2 wars. First war was trade war (fast CB and fastest ticking score), each of us had same shock value on our general. I just defended in hills until they ran out of manpower, sieged provinces while ticking war score, and eventually managed to stack wipe them...all without mercenaries or loans. I took enough that a follow up war was 90% war score. I then immediately broke truce, carpeted them with my 5 remaining units, and vassal'd them.
Peasant rebels broke the country and now I'm coring enough to readily vassal them later. Time to sit on +2 adm advisor and then spam colonies. It's not even hard anymore haha.
I vassal'd Inca in 2 wars. First war was trade war (fast CB and fastest ticking score), each of us had same shock value on our general. I just defended in hills until they ran out of manpower, sieged provinces while ticking war score, and eventually managed to stack wipe them...all without mercenaries or loans. I took enough that a follow up war was 90% war score. I then immediately broke truce, carpeted them with my 5 remaining units, and vassal'd them.
Peasant rebels broke the country and now I'm coring enough to readily vassal them later. Time to sit on +2 adm advisor and then spam colonies. It's not even hard anymore haha.
It can't. The strategy would be the same I'm using as Auvergne: DOW Muscovy, burn province, DOW someone else (probably Riga in this case if you can do it before they ally with the Livonians) and occupy so Muscovy can't get 100 WS on you. When Muscovy offers for you to concede defeat take the province then accept.
NO idea how you'd core it though. Same problem I have as French vassals but worse. Maybe Novgorod would give you fleet basing?
Once 1.5 comes out and they fix independence wars the answer will be to get Novgorod and everyone who even kind of dislikes Muscovy to support you, then hold on for an extremely bumpy ride.
Let Muscovy have your capitol after annexing the other province. Then, fabricate a claim on someone adjacent and annex them. You will be able to core both provinces.
As long as you're far enough away, they shouldn't be able to reach you and an independence war will just tick away.
OK, so I tested the "open-border all the way to an OPM" strategy. Except I picked a 2PM Assam.
0. Ayutthaya is highly likely to enter alliance with Dai Viet. I think this is pretty much a constant. If Pegu allies Ayutthaya, restart. Ayutthaya has to work with limited number of diplo slots, and your breaking may result in them allying Shan.
1. Improve relations with basically everyone, but Pegu and Lan Xang in particular. Say hurray if either Ayutthaya or Shan eats up Lan Na; Shan will refuse to support independence since it cannot reach Ayutthaya directly. Pegu and Lan Xang can be cuddled into it, except that they cannot defeat Ayutthaya + Dai Viet. If Ayutthaya and Aceh come to blows early, then Aceh could be pursuaded though the religious difference will make it harder. I came pretty close to get Aceh in it, but never succeeded.
2. Get military access across Pegu, Taungu and Shan. Move your troops all the way up to Kachin.
3. Declare independence, wait for a month and declare on Assam. I chose Assam because they lacked allies at that point; I guess Arakan or Kachar could do as well depending on the situation. Demand full annexation.
4. In a peace treaty with Ayutthaya, surrender the province Sukhothai. This will relocate your capital to Assam, and you'll be able to core their provinces. Keep in mind you're still under personal union, but the timer is now reset; Ayutthaya has to wait another 50 years.
5. In the mean time, I was able to get Champa to support my independence as well - but Ayutthaya had allied Shan. I declared a second war, annexed Kachar but failed to actually achieve independence - because Pegu freaking peaced out and that got me out of the war as well. Oh well, another timer reset at least.
6. Thankfully, Ayutthaya died in 1477 with -9 prestige. I guess that was lucky?
7. By this time you'd be facing either huge Bengal or huge Orissa. In my case it was Bengal. Do what you can and eat them up.
My conclusion: while it does depend on luck, the personal union WILL break, sooner or later. Sporadic independence wars - even if unsuccessful - will reset the integration timer, and the rest is luck.
You can break from Ayuthaya consistently using Kangra or usually even Koch. Take your starting forces right into them, declare war with open borders, and insta-gib their stack with 0 morale and no general. Once you do that + scorch capitol so that Ayu won't touch it, your next war they can't reach you. Koch is allied to Kachar, but can Kachar reach you through Assam in time before your only a little-damaged 4 stack in hills/mountains can defend anyway?
Well, Koch was allied to Kachar and Kachar was allied to Tibet in my case, and well, there's no real guarantee the alliance will cascade but I just picked an easier target Assam because it had no ally. By the way, Kangra? Sure, it's kind of out of Ayutthaya's reach but I'm not sure if I'd feel comfortable sitting so close to Chagatai, haha. Shan allying Ayutthaya between two independence wars kind of ruined it I guess.
Koch is just far enough, you generally don't have to worry about cascading alliances in an OPM fight. I think Koch is the best; while you could also do Bastar, Kangra, or Nepal (dicey with their discipline though), I think Koch offers the best position:
- Kachar can't reach you in time, if they can reach you at all (they usually rival Assam, and aren't too friendly with Bengal)
- With Koch, you can win with 3 units, which means you can train a single one back home. Get military access with everyone to Koch, including Koch.
- When you declare independence, scorch the earth of course so your for 1 province doesn't get raced down. Then, 1 month later declare on Koch...with military access and standing on top of them
.- With a general and full morale vs their no general and no morale, you'll blow their stack up handily, even with junk like shock 1-2. If Kachar can reach you, it won't be in time; they'll have to push up morale and you're defending on a hill. Full annex
The next independence war, you can just sit there. As you're buddhist, improve relations with Tibet + Shan in the meantime. In my experiment, I was able to take Assam with 2 units thanks to their help, and eventually Oirate Horde allied me too.
Just don't flip out of Buddhist; they'll break the alliances and then you're dead
. However, do look for opportunities to stick a knife in Bengal's back with ally help. Once you take Assam's provinces off a claim, you can core all 3.Of course, you're still a delayed, generic ideas nation in awful shape and 0 religious unity, but hey you're free and have some allies.
Koch is just far enough, you generally don't have to worry about cascading alliances in an OPM fight. I think Koch is the best; while you could also do Bastar, Kangra, or Nepal (dicey with their discipline though), I think Koch offers the best position:
- Kachar can't reach you in time, if they can reach you at all (they usually rival Assam, and aren't too friendly with Bengal)
- With Koch, you can win with 3 units, which means you can train a single one back home. Get military access with everyone to Koch, including Koch.
- When you declare independence, scorch the earth of course so your for 1 province doesn't get raced down. Then, 1 month later declare on Koch...with military access and standing on top of them
- With a general and full morale vs their no general and no morale, you'll blow their stack up handily, even with junk like shock 1-2. If Kachar can reach you, it won't be in time; they'll have to push up morale and you're defending on a hill. Full annex
The next independence war, you can just sit there. As you're buddhist, improve relations with Tibet + Shan in the meantime. In my experiment, I was able to take Assam with 2 units thanks to their help, and eventually Oirate Horde allied me too.
Just don't flip out of Buddhist; they'll break the alliances and then you're dead
Of course, you're still a delayed, generic ideas nation in awful shape and 0 religious unity, but hey you're free and have some allies.
I guess taking Assam AND Kachar was a bit too greedy on my part, Tibet and Shan both rivaled me. Oh well, whatever. I basically replaced Bengal and I'm allied to Oirats, Vijayanagar and (oh horror) Ayutthaya. I don't think I'm even going to bother with Indochina in this game. Maybe I'll make it a pure India conquest one...
since the topic is a question, I am going to have to answer it with yaroslavl. landlocked and doomed... no escape... annexed quickly, maybe if muscovy gets gang banged by all its neighbors, but you still won't get enough warscore to escape vassalage, even then where are you going to go? lol surrounded!
Practically same for Bourbon/Auvergne, you may not be completely surrounded by France but you might as well be with only Burgundy on your border other than France&pals. However, Muscovy doesn't have a core on Yaroslavl but France has on its own vassals. So, I still say it's those two French OPMs.
You can still get military access with people, and you can still declare war after France is out of the war, either morale-diving or truce breaking to get a province somewhere else...similar to Sukhothai above. Supposedly the AI hates scorched earth now more than ever, so it'll buy you some time to siege someone down. It's just a matter of which 1-2 province minor you want to blow up and replace.