Hardcoded events

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Hi folks,

I always thought that some events - like the treaty of Tordesillas - are hardcoded. But - if my memory serves me - I am currently playing a GC where up to 1665 no TOT ever occured. May that be or am I dead wrong on this?

And if the observation my be right - which events are truely hardcoded, do come every time?

Regards

Thorsten

 

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ToT comes always, except if spain and portugal are annexed.
Dutch Nationalism is one too...

let me think a bit for the others... if i remember correctly, there are four

 

[Vulture]

Yes Seb, Luther & Calvin are hardcoded as well. And so is the Counter Reformation. Together with ToT & Dutch revolts that makes 5. And unless you play a wussy IGC, Russian ToT is also one

 

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Thank you mate... I knew there were more, but my brain is slowly rotting away. Even tried searching for it, but didnt turn up anything interesting

A small Edit for clarity: I did a search for the hardcoded events, not for my brain - i still know where the latter is

 

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Originally posted by VultureGFF
Yes Seb, Luther & Calvin are hardcoded as well. And so is the Counter Reformation. Together with ToT & Dutch revolts that makes 5. And unless you play a wussy IGC, Russian ToT is also one

Edict of tolerance depends on the Treaty of Tordesillas. SO if you don't have one you won't have the other. But they are both hard coded. The Dutch revolt is not really a seperate event - it is directly tied to Jean Calvin (start) and Edict of tolerance (end).

The Russian time of troubles, the French Wars of Religion, and the English Civil War are by no means hard coded. They are built around events associated with monarchs. The Russian time of troubles in in the original game (well 1.07 -1.10), but was "improved" in the IGC - it is a lot tougher. But if you don't like it it's pretty simple to remove entirely - just get rid of the events associated with that monarch. I'm afraid I can't remember which file right now, but I think it's monarch.rus.

 

[PatMaster]

Originally posted by Silent Eagle
Thank you mate... I knew there were more, but my brain is slowly rotting away. Even tried searching for it, but didnt turn up anything interesting

A small Edit for clarity: I did a search for the hardcoded events, not for my brain - i still know where the latter is

Darn, I was thinking a witty answer when I read the first sentance!

 

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Originally posted by PatMaster


Darn, I was thinking a witty answer when I read the first sentance!

I realised i couldnt leave my reply like that two minutes after i posted it... there are three reasons for that:

- Vulture
- Carolus Rex
- you

Seems like i had a point anyways...

 

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Originally posted by Silent Eagle
ToT comes always, except if spain and portugal are annexed.
Dutch Nationalism is one too...

let me think a bit for the others... if i remember correctly, there are four

As far as I remember Tordessilas is triggered by the first nation other than Spain and Portugal building a colony. So if this doesn't happen (I know that it is quite unlikely but anyway) there will be not ToT.

 

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I'm not entirely sure, but I don't think the ToT will trigger after the Edict of Tolerance does, if it hasn't already at that point.

 

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No of course not, since Edict of Tolerance ends the decisions of Treaty of Tordesillas

 

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No, no, no. If there is not Treaty of Tordesillas (e.g., if you've annexed Portugal before it can happen) there will be no Edict of Tolerance. It's a trigger. So the last event in the game will be the Council of Trent and Spain will have a CB against protestants for 240 years or so.

Try it and see. No Tordesillas, no tolerance. Not sure I understand the logic, but that's how it works.

 

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Hard-coded events:

Reformation
Jean Calvin
Council of Trent
Closing of Japan (provided Japan still exists)

Hard-coded event-dependent events:
Treaty of Tordesillas (only occurs when someone who is not Spain or Portugal, builds a colony: cannot occur if either Spain or Portugal do not exist, or are not Catholic/CRC)
Edict of Tolerance (cannot occur if ToT has not taken place)

Dutch nationalism is a function of Calvin, and continues from that point until the Edict of Tolerance.

 

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What triggers the english civil war or the french wars of religion? England has fought a random event civil war in the game im currently running, but nothing so interesting as one that prompts a new country. Does it not happen in IGC?

And, just for kicks, how does one make a new scenario without using the lame scenario generator?

 

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Originally posted by Isaac Brock
No, no, no. If there is not Treaty of Tordesillas (e.g., if you've annexed Portugal before it can happen) there will be no Edict of Tolerance. It's a trigger. So the last event in the game will be the Council of Trent and Spain will have a CB against protestants for 240 years or so.

Try it and see. No Tordesillas, no tolerance. Not sure I understand the logic, but that's how it works.

God almighty knows that Spain has enough CBs already

If you're a BB, you can run that tide till the end of the game. Just keep one pagan nation in play (China or Persia). Silly Protestants will declare war themselves.

 

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Originally posted by Diocletian
What triggers the english civil war or the french wars of religion? England has fought a random event civil war in the game im currently running, but nothing so interesting as one that prompts a new country. Does it not happen in IGC?

These are historical events for England and France. Basically stability hits and revolt risk to simulate the civil wars. If you take a look at the event files you can see the details.

I don't know all of the IGC history, but my understanding is that the consensus was that these wars ought to be simulated by rebellions, and not by new nations forming. Or at least that the national tags were better used for something other than the English Royalists ot the Hugenots. So those nations cannot become independent in the IGC.