Hard choices for GB?

[mdw1985]

As I saw in the stream today, Johan hadn't had enough political power, to guarantee the independence for Poland, which seems to lead to hard choices, when spending pp...does GB always need a guarantee to declare war, or are they free to do so after reaching a certain level of wt?

 

[Denkt]

Each national focus take up one political point per day while you are "researching" it. That is about half your political point income.

 

[mdw1985]

Each national focus take up one political point per day while you are "researching" it. That is about half your political point income.

I already know, but that was not my question

 

[Denkt]

It should probably be a national focus that give you a guarantee.

 

[mdw1985]

It should probably be a national focus that give you a guarantee.

This clears it up! Thx!

 

[LordOfWar16]

As I saw in the stream today, Johan hadn't had enough political power, to guarantee the independence for Poland, which seems to lead to hard choices, when spending pp...does GB always need a guarantee to declare war, or are they free to do so after reaching a certain level of wt?

If world tension hits 100% democracies can declare war on nations that have raised world tension. You wont be able, as an democratic nation, to invade Belgium for example if they stay neutral, since they never caused world tension.

Other than that the UK has an NF to declare war on germany, italy, ussr, norway, sweden, denmark, netherlands and belgium.

 

[mdw1985]

If world tension hits 100% democracies can declare war on nations that have raised world tension. You wont be able, as an democratic nation, to invade Belgium for example if they stay neutral, since they never caused world tension.

This leads to the question, if you should be able to declare war on a country, which hasn't noteably increased WT...

 

[LordOfWar16]

This leads to the question, if you should be able to declare war on a country, which hasn't noteably increased WT...

You can by National Focuses. They are above game rules, thats why the UK can for example invade neutral Norway as they historically planned.

You also need to take into account that as an democratic nation you cant be imperialistic, atleast in HoI IV. For that you have to switch to Facist or Communist. It is hard to justify an war to your people with an nation, that didnt do anything aggresive. You can of course take territory from other nations once at war and if you won, but it will be much more expensive for you.

 

[BBBD316]

Well I think the UK and USA can be imperialistic. Heck the UK invading Denmark, Norway & Sweden is fairly imperialistic.

Germany really has a big early game advantage with the 1 extra PP per day, however it seems the Brits and USA can get more research slots earlier so they should eventually pull ahead in tech.

 

[Lither]

No imperialism for "democratic" nations is a ridiculously ahistorical straightjacket.

 

[nastydisease]

You can do imperialistic things so long as they are perceived by the populace as justified (via focuses as mentioned above). Modern democracies do not go to war with each other because it is too expensive. When faced with a glorious navy or cheaper groceries people vote with their back pocket every time.

Plenty of things occur in this period and in more modern times that can be viewed as quite imperialistic, or not, depending on your point of view.

 

[Lither]

Japan had a functional democracy until the early 40s

 

[shri]

The UK reaching the 5th research slot in research is either too fast or Johan is a really good player who knows all the tricks of the trade. (i am betting on the latter).

 

[nastydisease]

Japan had a functional democracy until the early 40s

True. Japans was a very young democracy however, less than 50 years by the outbreak of World War 2. It had also very rapidly modernized only a few decades before and was very isolationist throughout much of its history makes it something of an outlier and not a mature or modern democracy by my meaning in the post above.

 

[FOARP]

Japan had a functional democracy until the early 40s

Umm, no. The system of government that Japan had, whilst nominally democatic, was at all points dominated by the military and therefore not really functional. The military at all times had the power to veto decisions of any elected officials by either refusing to appoint ministers for the Army/Navy (who had to come from the armed forces) to the cabinet, or having the Army/Navy minister resign, preventing the formation of governments they disapproved of, or the implementation of policies they disliked. The Army and Navy basically answered only to the Emperor, who was in reality powerless. This was particularly the case from the late 1920's onwards. Cases in point:

1) The invasion of Manchuria was a decision made by the Kuantung army leadership. The Japanese government was powerless to prevent it.

2) Ditto the war in China.

3) The decision to go to war with the Western Powers was similarly decided.​

In none of the above cases was the actual decision (one of the most important decisions a government can make) made by an elected official, instead elected officials were given a fait accompli which they had to accept or find themselves at risk of assasination.

 

[Lither]

But it was a democracy, with elected leaders and a broadly constitutional monarchial legal base
Ergo...

EDIT: This explains it pretty well

 

[nastydisease]

Does that not show a flow chart placing the Military on level with the government accountable only to the Emperor?

 

[Lither]

The armed forces accountable to the Head of State is not inherently anti-democratic, after all, the US used that exact same idea

 

[Federkiel]

The UK reaching the 5th research slot in research is either too fast or Johan is a really good player who knows all the tricks of the trade. (i am betting on the latter).

It has nothing to do with Johan's skills (which i do not want to criticize in any way). It's just a matter of having one single look at the focus tree. To go that road is a no-brainer to everyone. It's not even clever but just too obvious.

Hopefully the focus trees get an overhaul. This way it is imbalanced and nonhistorical, too.
First - and while i hope that AI won't be that straightforward - this will ruin multiplayer games...
Second, i believe this to be straight nonsense. UK did not have any superior research power in comparison to Germany. At no point before the Allies actively invaded the Reich in March '45.

Hard choice? No, i say - its perfectly clear to see.

 

[Finski]

The UK needs to field armed forces with each service branch in great capacity, that were historically fairly up to tech/doctrine etc., while Germany does not to the same extent. Germany is able to do the important stuff just fine in the video with up to date doctrines, tanks, fighters, CAS, submarines and various infantry bits and bobs. Clearly doesn't need more research immediately.