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Rolled three times - gay everytime.
Not that it's too much of an issue, but he's one of the prominent characters with no records of him not being hetero.
There are no records of him being strictly hetero either, but it's beside the point. He's not scripted to be gay in the files. It's just random. If you want to change this go into the Norse character file and look for 'fairhair' and the second result will be his character entry, under traits type "sexuality = heterosexual" without quotation marks.
 
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It's not random per game,it's random per patch. As multiple people have pointed out: it's defined by the checksum, which is really a stupid way to do it. Some time ago I rememeber Hvitserk being gay every time too because of the checksum. He's hetero now.
I wouldn't mind playing a homosexual Fairhair if I knew it was random for that exact playthrough. Now it's just forced unless we change the settings or mod it.
 
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There are no records of him being strictly hetero either, but it's beside the point. He's not scripted to be gay in the files. It's just random. If you want to change this go into the Norse character file and look for 'fairhair' and the second result will be his character entry, under traits type "sexuality = heterosexual" without quotation marks.
"King Haraldr sent his men after a maiden by the name of Gyða, the daughter of king Eiríkr of Horðaland; she was being raised by a wealthy farmer in Valdres and he desired her as his concubine, for she was beautiful and of a great mind."
 
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"King Haraldr sent his men after a maiden by the name of Gyða, the daughter of king Eiríkr of Horðaland; she was being raised by a wealthy farmer in Valdres and he desired her as his concubine, for she was beautiful and of a great mind."
Where does it say he wasn't bisexual? Or do you not know what "strictly" means? Or even what "it's beside the point" means?
 
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Where does it say he wasn't bisexual? Or do you not know what "strictly" means?
Where does it say he liked both women and men? We know he liked girls (Hrafnsmál tells us he had a lot of concubines from all over Norway) and we know there is no writings upon this earth that says he was even remotely attracted to men sexually. All evidence we have points towards him being straight and anything else is pure speculation.
 
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Where does it say he liked both women and men? We know he liked girls (Hrafnsmál tells us he had a lot of concubines from all over Norway) and we know there is no writings upon this earth that says he was even remotely attracted to men sexually. All evidence we have points towards him being straight and anything else is pure speculation.
The sagas are written long after his death, it's mostly just fiction. If he was real, who is to say he wasn't bisexual? No one can know.
 
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The sagas are written long after his death, it's mostly just fiction. If he was real, who is to say he wasn't bisexual? No one can know.
If it's "mostly just fiction", why even have him in the game? Paradox uses these old "fictious" sagas to portray northern Europe in their games, so why is it suddenly so hard to just make a person who we have several texts describe as being attracted to women straight? And this isn't even some random nobody, it's a person who many Norwegians, including myself, view as an important character to our history and it is my belief that Paradox should at least try to portray him accurately when you take all of this into account.
 
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The sagas are written long after his death, it's mostly just fiction. If he was real, who is to say he wasn't bisexual? No one can know.
Which is why his and other's sexuality should be randomly determined each game, not by each new checksum. The problem here isn't that Fairhair was homosexual in one random playthough, but is in each playthough as of this checksum.
 
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If it's "mostly just fiction", why even have him in the game? Paradox uses these old "fictious" sagas to portray northern Europe in their games, so why is it suddenly so hard to just make a person who we have several texts describe as being attracted to women straight? And this isn't even some random nobody, it's a person who many Norwegians, including myself, view as an important character to our history and it is my belief that Paradox should at least try to portray him accurately when you take all of this into account.
Cool, then they should make him an unremarkable petty-king in Western Norway. His lineage should also end with his son Eirikr and grandson Haraldr. Snorri is a very special storyteller according to modern interpretations.
 
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presumption should be he was heterosexual without contrary evidence. It doesn't matter if some people oppose that because they don't like the implication of heterosexuality being "normal" when statistically most people are heterosexual
 
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The Sagas aren't necessarily accurate at all. If they wanted to speak well of him, they're going to say something outlandish like that he had 10 wives. He may not have - he may not have existed at all.

 
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presumption should be he was heterosexual without contrary evidence. It doesn't matter if some people oppose that because they don't like the implication of heterosexuality being "normal" when statistically most people are heterosexual
All random characters in CK3 will most likely me straight (unless you change the sexuality distribution game rule from the default setting). So straight being the most likely out come for Harald Fairhair is already modeled by the game. Thus unless there is evidence to indicate he was more likely to straight than random chance would suggest, it should be left to random chance. So if a historical figure has female lovers, for example, I think that is good enough indication. And reading the comments it sounds like there is evidence for this (and if true, I'd support him being defined to always be straight. And the fact sagas aren't the most accurate is fine by me, as that's all we got to go on anyways). But this is still evidence for being straight above just the fact that most people are straight (as again that fact is already handled by the game).

The problem people are running into is how CK3 rolls the random sexuality for starting characters. Instead of doing it for each play through (as most people would guess it would work) it does it for each patch (by using the checksum). So as the game currently stands, for the majority of patches Harald Fairhair will be straight; this just isn't one of those patches. Paradox should probably change sexuality to be like traits, and be re-rolled (for undefined characters) with each new game.



So to put it another way. It sounds like Harald Fairhair was most likely straight and so should be defined as so. But this is because people are indicating there is evidence for this, not because most people are straight. Using the later reasoning would mean that all historical characters should be defined as straight (except the few that we have evidence to the contrary), but that certainly isn't realistic as we know the percentage of non-straight sexuality is higher than what we'd get just using those in historical record with evidence of not being straight. But since we also don't know who is what sexuality for most historical characters (as not all historical character have any mention of lovers or such), we should use random sexuality for those we don't have any evidence for. This this will give the most realistic outcome of most historical characters being straight, but a small percentage not straight, while still allowing for those we are more sure of to be defined.
 
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I have no idea why this was done, but as far as saga and the skaldic poems about Harald tell he certainly was hetero, if not bi. Hrafnsmál mentions 10 wifes and seems unlikely a man who at least fathered 9 sons in Hákonarmál and later sagas says about 11-23 children to be gay.
It's randomly assigned. The two times I played him yesterday, he was straight for me.
 

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The sagas are written long after his death, it's mostly just fiction. If he was real, who is to say he wasn't bisexual? No one can know.
My headcanon says that Harald Fairhair was actually a super intelligent T-Rex who'd been frozen in a glacier for millions of years, so I support this line of reasoning.

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Prove he wasn't.
 
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I have no idea why this was done, but as far as saga and the skaldic poems about Harald tell he certainly was hetero, if not bi. Hrafnsmál mentions 10 wifes and seems unlikely a man who at least fathered 9 sons in Hákonarmál and later sagas says about 11-23 children to be gay.
Reproduction doesn’t equal sexuality or parenting. It takes once a year to get a wife pregnant (even not necessarily through sexual intercourse; practices from animal husbandry are applicable to humans too). As a noble you also easily get access to external care for your breed.
 
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We basically know nothing about Harald Fairhair, including whether or not he existed. He doesn't show up until much later sagas, and in many ways may have been mostly used to retroactively justify Norwegian independence from Danish rule. Certainly his various kids in the sagas have more to do with a desire to prove descent from a prestigious founder than they do any actual genealogical history (by saying, "oh yeah, my ancestor/hero/whatever was descended from Harald Fairhair too; you just never heard of this other son he's descended from").

As for gay Vikings more generally, the fact that something was shunned/criticized/etc. doesn't mean it existed. Homosexuality was shunned/criticized/etc. in many cultures (certainly including Christian medieval Europe), and yet still existed. Particularly in-game, it represents who a character is predominantly sexually attracted to; you can still marry, have kids, or even seduce someone, you just can't end up lovers/soulmates with someone of the other gender. Given that same-sex attraction seems to be genetic, it would still have been a thing in medieval societies, including the Norse, regardless of whether or not it was culturally accepted.

More broadly, given that Fairhair's orientation is randomly generated, who particularly cares? It will change again next patch.
 
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