Half brother inherits land, not my vassal?

[robinfisichella]

I am Petty King of Mumu (whatever tha means), my half brother inherited the County of Dorset and also York, he is in my Dynasty and yet isn't my Vassal. I thought as direct relative he would become my Vassal, or does he have to be at least my Son etc?

The plan would have been for him to Inherit while Brian (my father was in power), too late for that now. Still trying to understand the inheritance mechanics, can someone please explain?

 

[Asiak]

Because he isn't the count of York he's the Duke of York, and as a fellow Duke, petty king being a cultural name for Duke, you cannot vassalize someone of an equal rank. Through war or inheritance.

Beyond that the direct relative rule is a rule for pressing claims by force. They have to be below your rank, and then either de-jure yours or of your dynasty. But that's for pressing a claim and you're talking inheritance.

Under certain successions where voting is used a dynastic member may fare a better chance at getting votes. But other then that him being dynastic doesn't affect succession in that way.

It is because he is a duke. If it were the county of Dorset and just the county of York then depending on England's laws he would be your vassal. Him being a count you being a higher duke. But since he inherited the Duchy of York.he peaced out.

Alternatively you would have also kept him if you were of the king or emperor rank.

Edit Oh but and you would have to land him first before the inheritance.

 

[Sirrobert1]

Inheritance doesn't turn someone into your vassal. They might stay your vassal if they were before, but that's it.

What you are confused about is when you press someone's claim to land. If they are your vassal, or part of your dynasty then, they become (or stay) or vassal. Because you are responsible for getting them that land

 

[robinfisichella]

Because he isn't the count of York he's the Duke of York, and as a fellow Duke, petty king being a cultural name for Duke, you cannot vassalize someone of an equal rank. Through war or inheritance.

Beyond that the direct relative rule is a rule for pressing claims by force. They have to be below your rank, and then either de-jure yours or of your dynasty. But that's for pressing a claim and you're talking inheritance.

Under certain successions where voting is used a dynastic member may fare a better chance at getting votes. But other then that him being dynastic doesn't affect succession in that way.

It is because he is a duke. If it were the county of Dorset and just the county of York then depending on England's laws he would be your vassal. Him being a count you being a higher duke. But since he inherited the Duchy of York.he peaced out.

Alternatively you would have also kept him if you were of the king or emperor rank.

Edit Oh but and you would have to land him first before the inheritance.

Inheritance doesn't turn someone into your vassal. They might stay your vassal if they were before, but that's it.

What you are confused about is when you press someone's claim to land. If they are your vassal, or part of your dynasty then, they become (or stay) or vassal. Because you are responsible for getting them that land

Both thanks. So what we're saying here is that it's not possible for me to currently get a blood relative to inherit a Duchy, only counties? I need to become a King first? Now I wish I hadn't spent so much time engineering my way into Title inheritances! Though I suppose I have at least spread my Dynasty.

What if somehow the Duke of York was the Heir to my thrown, would he then inherit the Kingdom of Mumu and keep the title of York?

 

[RagingJaws]

What if somehow the Duke of York was the Heir to my thrown, would he then inherit the Kingdom of Mumu and keep the title of York?

If he was heir to your lands, you'd first get a knife in the back. Or a poisoned goblet of wine. Maybe a snake in the bed...

He'd then inherit your lands, keeping the Duchy of York as his main title and bringing the Petty Kingdom of Mumu into the Kingdom of England's control.

 

[Sfan]

However you could make it the opposite: kill everyone until you inherit his title. It may be hard because he's in another realm but this can be done with some luck. Another solution, maybe easier, is to try to marry him with a rather old homosexual erudite woman in your court so that he has no children and you increase your chances of inheriting.

In this situation you inherit the duchy of York with your current ruler but your primary title is Petty King of Mumu, i.e. Duke of Munster, so you will be an independant irish Petty King also holding a Duchy-tier title in England. The only downside is that the king of England will be very pissed off.

 

[Sirrobert1]

Both thanks. So what we're saying here is that it's not possible for me to currently get a blood relative to inherit a Duchy, only counties? I need to become a King first? Now I wish I hadn't spent so much time engineering my way into Title inheritances! Though I suppose I have at least spread my Dynasty.

What if somehow the Duke of York was the Heir to my thrown, would he then inherit the Kingdom of Mumu and keep the title of York?

You can still get a relative to inherit a Duchy, and it will be very useful. He just won't be your direct vassal right now
Examples of useful: Relatives have a bonus to liking eachother, so that's better. And it's possible that down the line, one of you (or our descendants) will inherit the other one's lands. Like, if he inherits the land, and then you kill him and all his heirs. As his last remaining family member, you'd inherit it.

Also it's just better for prestige to have your dynasty owning as much land as possible

 

[Naufragus]

I notice your wife is titled - That can be a minefield unless you have the same liege. If you dont then you need to die first so your son holds your title. Or you need to land him. If her realm has inheritance laws then her titles might go to your second son or one of her relatives.

If you arent Iron Manning, console commands are your friend. You can kill people and see how things will shake out.

Just hover over the shields and check the lines of succession. And keep in mind that often the game isnt correct. Sometimes you need to resign and restart so it re calculates the succession

 

[Sirrobert1]

I notice your wife is titled - That can be a minefield unless you have the same liege. If you dont then you need to die first so your son holds your title. Or you need to land him. If her realm has inheritance laws then her titles might go to your second son or one of her relatives.

If you arent Iron Manning, console commands are your friend. You can kill people and see how things will shake out.

Just hover over the shields and check the lines of succession. And keep in mind that often the game isnt correct. Sometimes you need to resign and restart so it re calculates the succession

If both have the same heir, it doesn't matter who dies first. Unless his either liege has no external inheritance laws, but probably not

 

[Naufragus]

If both have the same heir, it doesn't matter who dies first. Unless his either liege has no external inheritance laws, but probably not

Yes it does. If you are a Duke in France and she is a Duchess in Spain and she dies first, your son becomes a Spanish Duke, then when you die your holdings become Spanish territory. If you die first then her holdings would become French. Now that might not matter to your life plan or strategy or it could nuke it to hell. At the very least your heir could embrace Spanish culture, change from Lollard to Catholic or Occitan to catalan. They will never let you educate children since the would be at a "foreign power" and you end up with slothful detached priests married to imbecile serving whenches for future heirs.

 

[robinfisichella]

Yes it does. If you are a Duke in France and she is a Duchess in Spain and she dies first, your son becomes a Spanish Duke, then when you die your holdings become Spanish territory. If you die first then her holdings would become French. Now that might not matter to your life plan or strategy or it could nuke it to hell. At the very least your heir could embrace Spanish culture, change from Lollard to Catholic or Occitan to catalan. They will never let you educate children since the would be at a "foreign power" and you end up with slothful detached priests married to imbecile serving whenches for future heirs.

Her son/my son is of my dynasty.

 

[robinfisichella]

SO guys help me out here. I thought I should be trying to marry all my relations to Heirs of titles, is that wrong?

Should I just be marrying my bloodline up to people with claims so I can press them?

 

[Sirrobert1]

Depends on your goal. Do you personally want a huge realm soon? If so, getting claims is probably the better option.
If you just want to bring prestige to your dynasty, than installing your dynasty on forgein thrones is far easier. Note that, if you marry your daughter to a prince, they resulting line will not be your dynasty, and you will only get a non-aggression pact. you can turn this into an Alliance, and use your friends to take over other claims. So a mix might be better

 

[Naufragus]

Just remember that any marriages result in claims against you. The fewer people with claims reduces factions and host invasions. Since they did away with auto-ally and you have to negotiate actual alliances, marriage isnt what it used to be. You want to bring claims in not send claims out.

It also depends a lot on your laws - A/C, graval, primo.

For sons, its actually better to marry them down from what ever title they might get. Like if they will be a duke marry them to a countess, a count to a baroness so they can grab more territory.