Hacking the TBL files

[doktarr]

But if you want to you can change the 'size' parameter and thus make small provinces faster to enter (and/or big ones slower).

Yes, but this is something of a poor approximation, as it will make the province slower to enter from all ends.

I agree with Jinnai that Mongolian PTI and Japanese provinces are very important additions. Although exactly how to handler Mongolia is a tough question. I think I'd replace the current huge PTI blob with four smaller blobs to represent the Manchurian divide, the Gobi Desert, the Atlay Mountains, and the Tien Shan mountains. At any rate, the steppe provinces between the Atlay and Tien shan would be dirt poor and very large.

I'd also add a second branch to the slik road, that goes under the Talakaman desert, meets back up with the northern branch, and then ducks down across the Hindu Kush into India. This way, all three branches of the silk road (between the Kunlun mountains and the Talakaman, between the Talakaman and the Tien Shan, between the Tien Shan and the Atlay) would be represented in-game.

In addition to generally adding Chinese and Indian provinces, it would be nice to have small provinces to represent places like Goa and Macao.

Where would all these provinces come from? Well, there's at least 15 ocean provinces on the bottom of the map that could be merged into the province above them without affecting gameplay at all. More importantly, the width of the northern Pacific is VASTLY overstated. It implies a flat world in stead of a round world. There should be at most one ocean province between the Aleutians the end of Kamchaka. Currently there are five. You could get rid of about 10 or 12 northern Pacific provinces, and this would actually improve gameplay.

You could also merge some of the corridor provinces, as Russia didn't do too much heavy colonization in the EU2 Period. A few somewhat richer provinces would me much easier on Russia than the current setup.

Another area that could really really use some change is the Aegean crossings. Currently their are FOUR ways to cross the Aegean: Smyrna-Ionia-Hellas, Smyrna-Macedonia, Smyrna-Thrace, and Anatolia-Thrace. This is pretty absurd, since there are very clearly only two straits that cross the Aegean. I would redraw Macedonia slightly so that it includes the European side of the Dardanelles, and I would remove the Smyrna-Thrace and Smyrna-Ionia connections.

OK, enough dreaming for one day.

 

[doktarr]

It is pretty sure what should be definately edited.

IMO that is:
Add provinces to:
Northern Germany, especially Brandenburg area to get a better Prussia. Other mighty German minors could be considered too (Bavaria, Palatinate, Saxony)

I would object to actually adding many provinces there, as travel times are slow enough already. But reorganizing things is perfectly reasonable.

Portugal, err, 3 provinces?
Denmark, Jutland -> Schleswig + Jutland and Själland -> Själland + Fyn
Coastal Africa and America.

Coastal Africa seems OK to me. Coastal North America could use a few extra provinces, but mostly just a reorganization of the current ones.

Reduce provinces from:
Some seazones could be removed and PTI added to them (I'm meaning places like south Indian Ocean, pretty much never used in the game.)
Siberia.
Inner Africa and America.

Inner Africa? You could axe Bushman, sure, but what else is there? Really, the Songhai region should be expanded a little (in size if not number of provinces).

 

[doktarr]

Reduce provinces fom the Uzbek/Khiva whateva lands. There's a zillion poor provinces there and it just looks ugly.

Yes, Central Asian gameplay would probably improve if the number of provinces was reduced to about 60% of what it currently is. Of course the added provinces in Mongolia and the steppe would make up for this, but at least it would be accurate.

Also, the Aral Sea is in the wrong place, and the rivers that flow into it are not present. Removing the PTI would also make Lake Balkash visible.

 

[unmerged(26782)]

Coastal North America could use a few extra provinces, but mostly just a reorganization of the current ones.

NA needs lot more provinces for the coast. it is really easy with England, Portugal or Spain to explore and colonize the whole coast with colonies in a few years. Then you can just go inner in America with no resistance.

 

[TheMaster]

In this editor (if it be done), is it posible to change provinces names?

 

[unmerged(20844)]

shouldnt you wait till you have the editor before you redraw the map

 

[unmerged(26782)]

shouldnt you wait till you have the editor before you redraw the map

Let us dream, anarchist

 

[unmerged(20844)]

Let us dream, anarchist

i hope we're not left without anything but our pants peed in with excitement

 

[Elmokki]

I would object to actually adding many provinces there, as travel times are slow enough already. But reorganizing things is perfectly reasonable.Coastal Africa seems OK to me. Coastal North America could use a few extra provinces, but mostly just a reorganization of the current ones.Inner Africa? You could axe Bushman, sure, but what else is there? Really, the Songhai region should be expanded a little (in size if not number of provinces).

If we think, Zimbabwe wasn't really visited by Europeans in the era. The songhai area is interesting, but also that isn't something Europeans colonized, something that should definately be removed if you need more provinces and more obvious removal places are taken out already. Africa doesn't really need coastal provinces actually, I was too quick about it.

Inner America wasn't colonized very well at the era (atleast the deepest Dakota area is useless.) Coastal America anyhow could take some provinces to make colonization more interesting.

Portugal and Denmark need more provinces in sake of game balance.

In HRE, atleast some bigger provinces could be splitted. at least Brandenburg and Magdeburg. The area also needs pretty heavy relocating of current provinces (seen maps of Saxony at the era?)

 

[tombom]

In this editor (if it be done), is it posible to change provinces names?

I think it will.

 

[doktarr]

If we think, Zimbabwe wasn't really visited by Europeans in the era. The songhai area is interesting, but also that isn't something Europeans colonized, something that should definately be removed if you need more provinces and more obvious removal places are taken out already.

The Songhai area definitely qualifies as acting like an EU2 state (to an immesuarably greater degree than, say, the Creek) and has significant second-order effects on Europe in the time period. Removing them just because they didn't clash directly with the Europeans is pretty silly in my opinion. But I don't really see the need to add provinces; just expand the size of some of them at the expense of the PTI.

Overall, my suggestions for the expansions in the Steppe could be fueled mostly by merging together many current central Asian, Siberian, and northeast Asian provinces. The real province-hungry changes would be the expansions of Japan, coastal China, Korea, and India.

Africa doesn't really need coastal provinces actually, I was too quick about it.

Yep, although I could see maybe having a couple more northwest African provinces and a couple fewer southwest African provinces.

Inner America wasn't colonized very well at the era (atleast the deepest Dakota area is useless.) Coastal America anyhow could take some provinces to make colonization more interesting.

I would agree with the removal of the Dakota area (some of the Navajo area as well) and the slight expansion in coastal NA provinces.

Portugal and Denmark need more provinces in sake of game balance.

Yes, I agree.

In HRE, atleast some bigger provinces could be splitted. at least Brandenburg and Magdeburg. The area also needs pretty heavy relocating of current provinces (seen maps of Saxony at the era?)

No, but I'll take your word for it. I still maintain that overall, Germany should gain no more than a couple provinces.

 

[Hive]

Italy could use a few new provs as well imo... and Istria needs work.

But all this is merely speculation, we can't do anything untill/if Inferis provides us with this mythical editor...

 

[Elmokki]

No, but I'll take your word for it. I still maintain that overall, Germany should gain no more than a couple provinces.

Splitting few provinces would help the historically bigger German powers to survive and really be major powers in their areas which they were. And of course, provinces should atleast be rearranged, which may add few new provinces to make the job easier. For example, shouldn't Saxony have a border Silesia?

EDIT: Uh, I completely forgot Italy.

 

[unmerged(12680)]

Oh, there is mucho places that could do with more provinces alright...

EUROPE:
Denmark needs more for game-balance, definitely, right now they usually lose Jylland in their first war against the Germans, which makes little sense, a Schleswig prov is definitely needed.

Dalmatia needs some reorganisation too, so the OE can't just walk right up to Venice in their first war!

Italy in general could use some more, Naples should be split up I think, and 2 provinces for the Lombardian plain is a joke!

Germany, as much as I would like to add 10.000 new micro-states there just isn't really any good reason for it IMHO. But some reorganisation would be good and some huge ones (like Würzburg and Magdeburg) could use splitting-up. Also: Switzerland?

Portugal might another or so for game-balance too.

Anatolia and Greece could use some changes...



ASIA:

India could use a few more, especially Goa-like provinces to make European "colonisation" easier.

China might need a couple too, mostly because the current ones are simply TOO BIG for such populous areas.

Mongolia doesn't really exist. It should, in one form or the other.

Japan. I'm not certain what they might need more for, but I guess there is some compelling reason...

Central Asia is ripe for a reorganisation, moving lake Aral, introducing lake Balkash, larger provs etc.

Mesopotamia, I want the Tigris and Euphrates damnit!

Levant, mostly for the MES, making some small coastal provinces for the crusader states would be great.



AMERICA:

Reorganise the coastal provs somewhat.



AFRICA:

Expand the western Sudan and Niger region.



Hm, that's a lot to do.

 

[unmerged(6975)]

Personally, I'd like Kashmir, a few more islands here and there, more land in the Sudan and South Africa, Perth, and a path from Oregon to Eastern America (Maybe along the Oregon trail/Salt Lake route). Yeah, Denmark and Portugal need more as well.

Mongolia, the Arabian desert, some more Sahara (We need a Tuareg state, damnit! ), and a reorganized Central Asia would be nice as well.

 

[Hive]

We need a Tuareg state, damnit!

Why is that?

 

[Coder]

we need a map editor first then we might need a tuareg state

 

[unmerged(5110)]

Well, this is becoming less of a "Hacking the TBL files" thread and more of a "International Province Request" thread... Perhaps we should move our province demands to another thread?

 

[Hive]

Well, this is becoming less of a "Hacking the TBL files" thread and more of a "International Province Request" thread... Perhaps we should move our province demands to another thread?

Would be nice, yeah...

 

[TheLoneTaco]

i just read this entire thread...very good work so far and good luck in the future! i am awaiting a september release *crosses fingers*. my question - would it be possible to eventually alter the editor to create random world maps? i am thinking of something like what was available in the imperialism games

-Matt