Great suggestion, although if you aren't modding sectors out IMO you're playing a bad version of the game!
Habitats are nerfed to irrelevance?
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Great suggestion, although if you aren't modding sectors out IMO you're playing a bad version of the game!
Pops don't get you higher starbase capacity anymore. That's now just from system ownership, some researches, and an ascension perk. Starbase slots are pretty tight nowadays, between needing to split them between trade collection, trade protection, shipyards, anchorages, border protection...
Habitats can't increase economic power "infinitely", since there's actually a limit to how many suitable habitat sites there are per system, and since they can't produce minerals which is an important raw material (I'd say food too, but I can't recall if they can build hydroponics there or not).
I'm going to have to see the calculations for Claim #5. Even if you don't build any more science labs than your initial one, all of the science deposits you find should be enough that a single habitat wouldn't double your science production. And even a science habitat pales in comparison to a science-specialized planet.
Habitats as baby hubs is probably the best usage.
This is actually a really good point.
Past a certain size keeping a leader running every system isn't really sustainable. This makes Habitats a good 10% or so more efficient than an outlying planet in most tasks.
Star Fortress isn't that hard to get relatively early. If you are taking until your 3rd or 4th perk to get it you need to redirect some of that unity production into research production.
It kind of depends. You can generally always produce alloy/CGs and trade it back for base resources. At the same time Ecumenopolis are generally better than Habitats for this if you can find a decent planet with a low # of districts. But in that case Habitats are still great for growth, skimming pops off the top every decade or so to resettle on your forge worlds.
Still, it's a real shame that Habitats just aren't great at research. Hopefully that's an oversight. Districts just don't compare to 16 building slots in terms of job production, even stuffing .5 housing synths in and going for no housing isn't good.
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Are habitats the only colonizable thing that have a limited selection of planetary buildings?
If so, seems like a poor decision design. If it's for balance they could have just messed with the costs/districts available.
If so, seems like a poor decision design. If it's for balance they could have just messed with the costs/districts available.
As a hive mind empire I've turned habitats into dedicated forges and it seems to work pretty well. My planets only main job is churning out minerals, and I have a ringworld for food.
So while habitats seem underwhelming for most empires, for hive minds at least they can fill a niche.
So while habitats seem underwhelming for most empires, for hive minds at least they can fill a niche.
I guess it was done, to let the districts be more of a meaningful choice. While initially you would be better off building a research district; once you had enough building slots open, you would be better of tearing down those research districts and building more habitation housing districts so that you can place more research buildings.
Not being able to build luxury residences seems a bit of an odd; if you can place a factory or fortress in a building slot, it seems strange that you can't place residential buildings there as well.
I found out during my current play through that fortresses provide housing (albeit only 3 when upgraded), this did allow me to have maximum research output, with the addition of 54 naval capacity (3 soldier jobs * 3 naval capacity * 6 fortresses):
This is my default setup for habitats, and in my current game I have 13 of them putting out the bulk of my research and Naval Capacity.
BUT!, when it comes down to it, planets can be built as research monsters, take my Capital system for example:
About 5x the research of a habitat, all mining districts utilized, and while 15 city districts is required for housing, as a side effect it provides a decent chunk of trade as a result (and I've yet to fill the remaining clerk vacancies).
Assuming both the planet and habitats are in an already occupied system, the planet is more district efficient:
Koros: 23 Districts + 2 colony = +25 Empire sprawl (~1000 research)
Habitats: 5 * (8 Districts + 2 colony) = +50 Empire sprawl (~1000 research)
There is probably a few things that could be done (eg doubling number of jobs per district and habitation housing, have districts provide housing for the jobs, allow building of luxury houses, etc).
I also feel that the Trade district is pretty underwhelming when you miss out on the much more Trade/Amenity efficient merchant that you can get with Commerce Megaplexes on planets.
The Leisure district isn't too bad, but not really worth it due to the fact it takes up a precious district slot, and as shown above, you can get the necessary amenities with the Galactic Stock-exchange and a Cryo-revitalization center.
I still like the current incarnation of habitats, especially as they still retain the advantage of being able to get research immediately without having to wait for another building slot to open, and they seem to synergize very well with fortresses for additional naval capacity...but I guess they still could do with a few buffs.
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Whoops!; each soldier job (not the fortress itself) provides 3 naval capacity each, so I've changed this in the original post; but the final result should be the same (Each fortress houses 3 soldiers that provide 3 naval capacity each).
EDIT: There is something a little strange with the naval capacity figure, the Fortress building description indicates 9 base naval capacity, but I'm producing 4 naval capacity/soldier in the jobs menu...so I think naval capacity is affected by empire modifiers like other resources (not sure if intended or not).
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I guess it was done, to let the districts be more of a meaningful choice. While initially you would be better off building a research district; once you had enough building slots open, you would be better of tearing down those research districts and building more habitation housing districts so that you can place more research buildings.
Not being able to build luxury residences seems a bit of an odd; if you can place a factory or fortress in a building slot, it seems strange that you can't place residential buildings there as well.
I found out during my current play through that fortresses provide housing (albeit only 3 when upgraded), this did allow me to have maximum research output, with the addition of 54 naval capacity (3 soldier jobs * 3 naval capacity * 6 fortresses):
This is my default setup for habitats, and in my current game I have 13 of them putting out the bulk of my research and Naval Capacity.
BUT!, when it comes down to it, planets can be built as research monsters, take my Capital system for example:
About 5x the research of a habitat, all mining districts utilized, and while 15 city districts is required for housing, as a side effect it provides a decent chunk of trade as a result (and I've yet to fill the remaining clerk vacancies).
Assuming both the planet and habitats are in an already occupied system, the planet is more district efficient:
Koros: 23 Districts + 2 colony = +25 Empire sprawl (~1000 research)
Habitats: 5 * (8 Districts + 2 colony) = +50 Empire sprawl (~1000 research)
There is probably a few things that could be done (eg doubling number of jobs per district and habitation housing, have districts provide housing for the jobs, allow building of luxury houses, etc).
I also feel that the Trade district is pretty underwhelming when you miss out on the much more Trade/Amenity efficient merchant that you can get with Commerce Megaplexes on planets.
The Leisure district isn't too bad, but not really worth it due to the fact it takes up a precious district slot, and as shown above, you can get the necessary amenities with the Galactic Stock-exchange and a Cryo-revitalization center.
I still like the current incarnation of habitats, especially as they still retain the advantage of being able to get research immediately without having to wait for another building slot to open, and they seem to synergize very well with fortresses for additional naval capacity...but I guess they still could do with a few buffs.
the intresting point its the economic price of having a planet as a "tech moster" , 21 gass , if not with natural sources , cost around 100-120 minerals month , around the same for the consumer goods .
a planet can have around 5 time the production of research , and its around better than having 5 research hab , the only problem its that planet are limited , habs are not .
btw , upgraded building will always be better, otherwise they would be not worth the special resources ; habs would alow you to free those minerals consumption ( and building space) for more jobs buildings.
One thing to keep in mind is you can get further with habs if you spec for reduced housing space (communal, fertile). Genemodding is great since you can apply specific mods to just those pops on the habitats. Also, I think they're generally more useful for single-species or slaver empires since pop resettling helps a great deal with getting pops on and off of them.
I still think the districts need a small buff (I'd add a merchant for the trade district, another culture worker for leisure, and another researcher job as well as +1 or +2 housing for each district) and they should get a couple of unique buildings - one for housing, maybe one for unity.
Or maybe replace the +5 clerks with +2 or +3 merchants. Make Habs completely specialist/ruler focused districts.
I still think the districts need a small buff (I'd add a merchant for the trade district, another culture worker for leisure, and another researcher job as well as +1 or +2 housing for each district) and they should get a couple of unique buildings - one for housing, maybe one for unity.
Or maybe replace the +5 clerks with +2 or +3 merchants. Make Habs completely specialist/ruler focused districts.
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So, after building a habitat, I ended up making it a research habitat. I still feel disappointed, since they are a lot less flexible than before.
If you could buff habitats, what would you change about them?
If you could buff habitats, what would you change about them?
Maybe add habitat specific buildings that synthesize resources that'd help a general tall build instead of making them so niche. Or add like housing too their research/ trade districts.
IMHO it'd be cool if Habitats could be built in Nebulae Systems & get equipped with the same 'From Nebulae Dust' Minerals making Building Starbases can equip, or at least a comparable kinda building. How different could it really be between operating such an Operation from a Starbase vs a Habitat?
I find habitat very nice for making refinery or alloy CG worlds...or to make cheap buildings who use no strategic ressources to make something you need...
but its indeed true it lack in distric efficiency a fewx more job per district or housing would help and special small buildings if you have your habitat in a special star system...
energy with pulsar mineral with nebula ect... woudl make those special featured system even more interesting.
I find it wa easier to build a few habitat a 3000alloy than a ring world and its multiple 15k alloys
but its indeed true it lack in distric efficiency a fewx more job per district or housing would help and special small buildings if you have your habitat in a special star system...
energy with pulsar mineral with nebula ect... woudl make those special featured system even more interesting.
I find it wa easier to build a few habitat a 3000alloy than a ring world and its multiple 15k alloys
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I have to admit as I play 2.2 I am getting really not fond of how hard it is to get a hold of & keep stocked up on Gas for the T2+ Planet Science Labs, & getting my Science from Space Research Stations & Habitats instead is getting very very tempting... -_-
I have no experience with 2.1 Habitats cause during 2.1 I was still learning the Controls & how to play & such & other... it's on my to-do list to examine Habitats in 2.2 & see what I think of them... especially potentially dedicated Science Habitats...
I am currently trying a One Planet Challenge, sort of. One Planet + Habitats. I use Inward Perfection/Life Seeded + After Reform: Mining Guilds. Pumped everything in Research Labs and took the Research Traditions first for +1 alternatives. Was able to get Star Fortress early. So ist 60 or so years in and i build my first Habitat. First i made a Sub Species of Habitat People with Communal + Traditional for less housing + upkeep. Then i bought a single slave Pop from the Market. The strategy is: Filling the Habitat with Livestock for Food production and unlocking of Building Slots (livestock is like 0.25 housing). The main species Pops work as specialists. I will Experiment with different build Options. I had in mind 1 Trade Habitat with Livestock + Clerks and Ressource Silo Buildings. 1 Habitat with Livestock and Forges / Civilian Industry etc. I hope to survive Long enough to build a Matter Decompressor and then vassalizing the Galaxy.
I think the general consensus is that they are now used primarily for research or rare minerals and increasing Naval Capacity. It does limit them for sure, but they do still have their use. Personally, I would like them back to how they used to be, but I still build and use them now for those purposes I listed earlier.
Merchants are extremely powerful and with a civics also produce unity. We will never see a way to stack them without a nerf.
Unless empire plans to conquer the galaxy by end of 2350s or x5 habitable worlds were set, habitats are great for the mere fact that they can be built without much restrictions. Sure, they have alloy maintenance cost, but they also allow to specialize ground-side industry for mineral production.
Another fun stuff to do is get to 75 pop spam fortress as housing (remove soldier jobs) to recover some housing district and go full research you can get 7 science district this way. and even a few ressources makers
but you can also go full leisur of full trade distric for money or social +unity.
And i have a very unoptimised egalitarian militarist xenophyle empire
It just feel super unintuitiv since you need to build housing district fill the hab then remove the housing district little by little
its easier if you take stuff to reduce housing needs
but you can also go full leisur of full trade distric for money or social +unity.
And i have a very unoptimised egalitarian militarist xenophyle empire
It just feel super unintuitiv since you need to build housing district fill the hab then remove the housing district little by little
its easier if you take stuff to reduce housing needs
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No, Soldiers provide a base 4 Naval Capacity, which is boosted by 2 by one of the earliest tech in the game (Ground Defense Planning, you need it to get Fortresses anyway). It's 18 NavCap per fortresses, without bonuses (Supremacy, Citizen Service etc...)