Habitability change in 1.5 ?

[Futharkk]

Hello everyone,

I remember having seen somewhere that the way habitability works would be changed in the next update. However I can't find where I have seen that. Do I remember correctly and do we know what will be changed exactly ?

Thanks.

 

[grandad1982]

I haven't seen anything about that. It only recently changed so I'd be surprised if it changed again so soon. Still if any one can link a dev mentioning it I'd be interested to see it.

 

[Mitroll]

Yeah, in 1.5, automatic population growth is becoming a tech. Until you research it, you have to play an Oregon Trail style minigame every time a new pop is made, with the difficulty being decided by the planet's habitability.

 

[prismaticmarcus]

maybe you're thinking of happiness which was discussed here

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/stellaris-dev-diary-54-ethics-rework.987286/

 

[Pyramid_Head]

habitability works...bad. It's a linear progression. I'd rather prefer Endless Space approach, where Volcanic worlds with no farming were valuable for huge industrial(mineral) output, lush workds were valuable for, well, farming, same goes for science and, entertainment and trade worlds. I'd rather see habitability's role to be changed completely, instead of boring happiness modifier.

 

[Milten]

habitability works...bad. It's a linear progression. I'd rather prefer Endless Space approach, where Volcanic worlds with no farming were valuable for huge industrial(mineral) output, lush workds were valuable for, well, farming, same goes for science and, entertainment and trade worlds.

And how what's you describing is better? Find lush world to farm? Doesn't seem like much of a choice to make.

 

[Pyramid_Head]

No, in Endless Space you can transform planet into volcanic one. Make habitability relate to ability to work there, extract resources and stuff.

 

[Milten]

No, in Endless Space you can transform planet into volcanic one. Make habitability relate to ability to work there, extract resources and stuff.

So you don't even need to find Mine World? Just press "make Mine World" button? Oh, fine then.

 

[Pyramid_Head]

So you don't even need to find Mine World? Just press "make Mine World" button? Oh, fine then.

No, we have plenty of Baren worlds, habitability could affect ability to build on asteroids. Now there's, basically, one interaction with the planets - terraform them into 80% habitability of your species or gaia. Should we be able to turn the planet into volcanic without farming or something like that, that would be a solid investment.
It's still better than empire of identical planets. Once again, Endless Space is better in this aspect, with industial sectors, farmng planets, trade hubs. Both in need of protection.

 

[Milten]

Now there's, basically, one interaction with the planets - terraform them into 80% habitability of your species or gaia.

And here you are wrong. Genetic modification, robot colonization, foreign species.

Once again, Endless Space is better in this aspect, with industial sectors, farmng planets, trade hubs. Both in need of protection.

I disagree. I don't think splitting planets into different kinds of resource production adds anything to game depth. Nor I'd call Endless Space a best example of 4x.

 

[Crenickator]

I disagree. I don't think splitting planets into different kinds of resource production adds anything to game depth. Nor I'd call Endless Space a best example of 4x.

And I dis-disagree.
While planets shouldn't just be relegated to only one role, the ability to do so can provide depth. The game as it stands does not have the ability, but it can be made to. Currently, the only building to affect mineral production is a mineral processing plant. But if you increase the number of buildings that can affect mineral processing, and perhaps tie them to a capital complex upgrade similar to the way the highest tier of buildings can only be built on the Empire's capital world, and you can begin to specialize your planets more without just "Press button, get mineral bonus."

 

[BlackUmbrellas]

The game as it stands does not have the ability, but it can be made to. Currently, the only building to affect mineral production is a mineral processing plant.

Incorrect.

Certain planets are absolutely made to be hyper-specialized- they're the ones that get special traits added to them during survey operations. Stuff like Mineral Rich or Geomagnetic Storms, etc. Those provide a percentile buff to the production of certain resources on that planet.

 

[Crenickator]

Incorrect.

Certain planets are absolutely made to be hyper-specialized- they're the ones that get special traits added to them during survey operations. Stuff like Mineral Rich or Geomagnetic Storms, etc. Those provide a percentile buff to the production of certain resources on that planet.

Not quite the same thing, but I understand the contention.
You can play to the planet's modifier by plopping down lots of mines on the Mineral Rich worlds, but it's not really specialized since the buildings there are the same as you'd find anywhere else in the Empire. I was asking for an additional level of specialization with building lines that would further enhance the "Mining World" theme, that wouldn't have a place on other non-mining worlds. And while these too would benefit from modifiers like Mineral Rich, it's not reliant on it, and you can make a mining world out of any old planet if the need arises.

 

[AlphaAsh]

... But if you increase the number of buildings that can affect mineral processing, and perhaps tie them to a capital complex upgrade similar to the way the highest tier of buildings can only be built on the Empire's capital world, and you can begin to specialize your planets more without just "Press button, get mineral bonus."

I have heard of a mod that does this. The name escapes me.

 

[Secret Master]

terraform them into 80% habitability of your species or gaia.

I almost never terraform.

There are far better ways to deal with habitability. Genetic modification, droids, getting new species in your empire, buildings that increase habitability, strategic resources that increase habitability, techs that increase habitability.

In fact, one of the great advantages to both conquest and migration treaties is gaining POPs that can colonize all types of worlds. Who needs terrarforming?

Habitability: Making Xenos Great, Again. (Even if we oppress them.)

Currently, the only building to affect mineral production is a mineral processing plant.

And the slave processing facility.

And planet modifiers that increase mineral output.

And planet specific edicts that increase mineral output or happiness (which increases output as well).

You pick the right world, and you can turn it into a great source of minerals.

The planet isn't even optimized completely just yet. It still needs some genetic modification, an edict, and it would have been better if it had planet modifiers (but you take what you can get).

EDIT: I forgot to mention that slavery makes habitability mostly moot. As long as a POP can barely tolerate a planet, it can be an efficient slave there.

 

[Ex Mudder]

habitability works...bad. It's a linear progression. I'd rather prefer Endless Space approach, where Volcanic worlds with no farming were valuable for huge industrial(mineral) output, lush workds were valuable for, well, farming, same goes for science and, entertainment and trade worlds. I'd rather see habitability's role to be changed completely, instead of boring happiness modifier.

I always figured that was what mining and research outposts represented. Small resource extraction colonies within range of a central node (planet, frontier outpost).

But I do like Endless Space's "all planets add to system production" approach. Doesn't really fit Stellaris though.

 

[Crenickator]

You pick the right world, and you can turn it into a great source of minerals.

But there is currently nothing to differentiate that world from any other that has mines, slaves, and/or edicts. Just the difference in efficiency and possibly a planetary modifier. To me, that does not a mining world make, and would opt for a, let's say "Tall" option to build up mining facilities that I wouldn't necessarily want/be able to build elsewhere.

The Worm-In-Waiting line had a Power Hub that caused -10% Happiness, but was better than the first level Hub. What your slave world needs to really make it terrible is a few smog-spewing processing plants that lower happiness in exchange for a better return, and planetary capital upgrades that allow for mines with increased yields, possibly themselves affecting habitability because you're literally stripping the biosphere away to get at the precious minerals underneath. Your slaves have it too good!

 

[Secret Master]

But there is currently nothing to differentiate that world from any other that has mines, slaves, and/or edicts. Just the difference in efficiency and possibly a planetary modifier.

You mean "nothing to differentiate" except for tiles with more or less minerals. And tile placement. And species on the planet. And placement or lack of food tiles. And tiles with both food and minerals. And number of tiles. And types of tile blockers. And Stone Age primitives.

 

[Magnificent Genius]

But there is currently nothing to differentiate that world from any other that has mines, slaves, and/or edicts. Just the difference in efficiency and possibly a planetary modifier. To me, that does not a mining world make, and would opt for a, let's say "Tall" option to build up mining facilities that I wouldn't necessarily want/be able to build elsewhere.

The Worm-In-Waiting line had a Power Hub that caused -10% Happiness, but was better than the first level Hub. What your slave world needs to really make it terrible is a few smog-spewing processing plants that lower happiness in exchange for a better return, and planetary capital upgrades that allow for mines with increased yields, possibly themselves affecting habitability because you're literally stripping the biosphere away to get at the precious minerals underneath. Your slaves have it too good!

I kinda see where you are going here, and I like it. You're talking about theme-related concepts, and adding mechanics to fit those themes, and I am all for that, because it will add so much diversity. A barren world that has been turned into a giant mine that provides half the EMPIRE with it's minerals is a cool sci-fi theme, and right now there's no way you can do that. Being able to do that would be cool.

 

[Wyrm]

Have the habitability translate straight into efficiency for pops instead of letting it decide maximum happiness. That would make those 5%-increases in habitability-techs and other things more valuble and in a way be more realistic.