Of course, it's 'whining'.
But your continued and juvenile refusal to look at anything you do critically isn't allowed to be assessed, is it?
That would be terrible, you might change!
Gypsies?
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Of course, it's 'whining'.
But your continued and juvenile refusal to look at anything you do critically isn't allowed to be assessed, is it?
That would be terrible, you might change!
I think you're missing the point: I just don't care. And even if I might have at one point, all the whining in here by people that aren't even Gypsies eroded any sympathy I might have had for their position. Humans have become a weak, pathetic species. Boo hoo hoo.
Oh, how this thread derailed and hit the moon...
I'd like to see some events for them. Though having a Gypsy as a king or a duke or something would be a bit...strange? All the same, it would be kinda cool.
I'd like to see some events for them. Though having a Gypsy as a king or a duke or something would be a bit...strange? All the same, it would be kinda cool.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOSZwEwl_1Q
If they're going to add gypsies they'd better also equally represent tramps and thieves!
If they're going to add gypsies they'd better also equally represent tramps and thieves!
Yes, empathy is such a weak thing for a species to possess.
It's not cooperation that allowed us to live for so long.
That would be silly.
You're speaking gibberish. Crying over a word is weakness and nothing to do with cooperation. So far, the only person that has firsthand knowledge of being called a Gypsy says it's not offensive, whereas everyone else just nods solemnly and tries their best to show how considerately they can speak unbidden for others. In the U.S., there is a recent abundance of shows about "gypsies", where they propagate and perpetuate the stereotypes about themselves and take pride in doing so. Yet they still have the gall to say, "People don't like us because we're gypsies." No, people don't like you because you're white trash. You can call yourself whatever you want but it's your actions that dictate how people feel about you.
Another thing, I am personally offended by the word Saxon and demand that no one use it from this point on.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm off to play some Fallout 3. I just got word that there's a bunch of gypsies trying to take over the Lincoln Memorial.
I realize the actual story is out of time frame but I now have this desire for an event chain where you adopt a hunchback and fall in love with a gypsy and end up thrown off the local bisophric.
hopefully there will be a music DLC including the Lady Gaga's song Gypsy as well as the Flatwood Mac song Gyspy
Bitch plz.
[video=youtube;BmSs7qAob8A]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmSs7qAob8A[/video]
Oh wow. This thread is derailed beyond comprehension by overzealous political correctness.
I have yet to meet a gypsy who would be offended by being called a gypsy.
As to the OP, I would welcome some events about gypsies in the game, but they really shouldn't be characters, because they didn't really get the places in society back then that the characters would represent.
I have yet to meet a gypsy who would be offended by being called a gypsy.
As to the OP, I would welcome some events about gypsies in the game, but they really shouldn't be characters, because they didn't really get the places in society back then that the characters would represent.
"Gypsy" is just like the word "Indian" it stems from a geographic error (Europeans thinking they're from Egypt, so "Gypsies" became the name for them, just like "Indian" stems from Columbus thinking he was in India) and whether it is offensive or not depends on who you talk to. Some Romani think Gypsy is alright and others even positively identify as such, just like some Native Americans think Indian is alright and some even positively identify as such. And there are even some that think "Romani" and "Native American" are also offensive, it's hard to rigidly define these things.
I for one think this argument over semantic is pointless, especially since comments about Romani being thieves and vagabonds are definitely stereotypical and mean-spirited and are mostly being ignored.
We just need to figure out what the Byzantines called them so they can have them as mercenaries. Then when the empire gets below X number of provinces, they will flee the empire, and Christian countries borders the Byzantines then get an event about "People from the East have fled the decaying Byzantine Empire, the locals are referring to this nomads as "gypsies" what should we do?" And you get a simple "Welcome them" or "Drive them out" options with the appropriate effects, like accepting them could hurt relations with bishops in your country or something, and the other one could give a small risk of a Romani revolt.
Would be great for historical flavor.
CK II already has a St. Joan of Arc inspired event and that was during the 100 years war, I would love an event chain inspired by the Hunchback of Notre Dam.
Anyways since you guys hate wikipedia, just sit down and listen to an hour long talk if that's your fancy
[video=youtube;NTsqiP196Uw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTsqiP196Uw&feature=share&list=PLDC404E867FDCCAD0[/video]
I for one think this argument over semantic is pointless, especially since comments about Romani being thieves and vagabonds are definitely stereotypical and mean-spirited and are mostly being ignored.
We just need to figure out what the Byzantines called them so they can have them as mercenaries. Then when the empire gets below X number of provinces, they will flee the empire, and Christian countries borders the Byzantines then get an event about "People from the East have fled the decaying Byzantine Empire, the locals are referring to this nomads as "gypsies" what should we do?" And you get a simple "Welcome them" or "Drive them out" options with the appropriate effects, like accepting them could hurt relations with bishops in your country or something, and the other one could give a small risk of a Romani revolt.
Would be great for historical flavor.
CK II already has a St. Joan of Arc inspired event and that was during the 100 years war, I would love an event chain inspired by the Hunchback of Notre Dam.
Anyways since you guys hate wikipedia, just sit down and listen to an hour long talk if that's your fancy
[video=youtube;NTsqiP196Uw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTsqiP196Uw&feature=share&list=PLDC404E867FDCCAD0[/video]
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Yeah, Romanichials (if people are going to argue over a reported "G-word", then I'll use the reported self identification for the majority of them here in Canada) would mostly just show as event text, maybe uncommon events concerning things like summer fairs; say you are told that a bunch "traveling vagrants" are attempting to enter town to partake in the fair, and you are presented with options like banning them, having them watched or simply allowing them entry, with response events ranging from such as them simply providing entertainment, craft good and the likes, locals getting upset about them or them causing some sort of problem with probabilities based in part on your response.
Having their spread into Europe kicked off by events like what Labrynian Rebel described above would make sense.
Having their spread into Europe kicked off by events like what Labrynian Rebel described above would make sense.
I dont want gypises in my game as it doenst make sense and gypsy or "tigan" is not a racial slur,heck even they call themselves that.
I imagine that it is offensive for some of them. Just like some white Afrikaans people in South Africa would not get offended if you called them a "boer." It depends on context and the intent of the person using it.
I would really have to disagree, watch the you tube video that was posted. It seemed they served as mercenaries to not just the Byzantines but also the Seljuks during wars in Afghanistan/India. Being the new DLC will be all about India they seem like a perfect fit.
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