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I've played for awhile with Prussia using VIP 0.3b and it's going fine. I've started a bit differently although I did satellite Hannover early on. Also I've left the other german minor states alone. Instead I've slowly industrialized. Infact in Prussia is 1st in industrial score. Lately I've been educating farmers/labourers into clercks and capitalists. I did'nt know it works so well. Before I thought its expensive but what the heck educate 90k+ pop into capitalist and it's well worth it. :D

Also the addition of machineparts into railroad costs in VIP 0.3b seems a very good way to balance the game. It's not so hard to get machineparts even without the machineparts factory.

Playing Vicky while waiting for HOI2 is wonderful. I'm having good time. :D
 

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A good tactic for the initial war with Hannover is to prepare in advance for war with the UK. I always play VIP so I'm not sure if this would be similar in vanilla, but what I like to do is take my measly navy of three transports, load them up with cavalry and then transport them to one of Canada, Africa or Australia. Then proceed as normal DOWing Hannover and occupying all of their provinces.

While that is going on your cavalry units are running around the unprotected claims established by the UK. I prefer to do this in Australia or Canada as there are practically no troops to oppose you and both areas are fairly isolated.

The UK attacks into Prussia are usually fairly limited and can be ignored without too great a peril. In fact I often delay peace with Hannover for months while I get as many UK claims as I can (although I limit myself to one area/continent).

After this you can either keep the claims and establish German colonies or rebuilt relations with the UK and sell them back to the Englanders for a nice profit. Canada is particularly good for the latter strategy as the UK ai will usually start offering you a tech and some cash for each claim.

But a German Canada can be quite profitable since it has a fair amount of resources and parts of it have life ratings high enough that they can attract reasonable German immigration too. Besides this way you get to oppress Franco-Canadians at the same time as European Frenchies :)

One essential thing to remember though is to unload your cavalry and return your navy to port before DOWing Hannover. Failure to do this obviously means the destruction of your feeble Kriegsmarine at the hands of the dreaded Royal Navy.

I'm sure that many will disregard this as an exploit, but it's the only was to get a German Canada without massive BB or expensive province purchasing. Anyway I prefer to think of it as good planning.....
 

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1847, France is Prussia's SATELITE ! (vip)

VIP .03 normal/normal

I have toyed with this run-through a few times... that is.. I seem to be unable to get the same results that the walk-trough promises.. it seems connected tot he price of steel.. I have large factories taking a loss on steel production and I have followed the run-through fairly closely.

So, I have had some fits and starts where I then go back to some point and try again.

This time I went back to a save taken during my war against the minors.. and I was able to get more of them, even taking a piece of some of the southern minors by 1840.

Then I tried some industry and still struggled with the price of steel.

In late 45 or early 46 and France DoW'd me for the second time.

They made a big mistake, apparently, because I had built a large regular army and could still mobilize my 16 reserve units.

I quickly went into the negative research points by trading for 5 military techs. And then I let France bring the battle to me. And they suffered. Once my reserves were available I had something like 25 units in Northern France about to be unleashed. I drove toward Paris and widened the gap by taking provinces and dividing my large armies as I advanced.

I went slowly and, because the provinces that France SHOULD have offered me count so much.. Metz and Strasbourg are each something like 45% war score.. France would not accept an offer like this nor would they make such an offer. Once I was up over 50% they suggested I take Metz and Nancy (but I wanted Strasbourg) so we kept battling.

Soon I was all the way into Normandy and had all of Northern France.. but I was getting desperate and my forces were weakening and my home provinces war weariness was causing even more rebellions.

It was going to be close. I began to lose French provinces to rebellions but I had more units working on taking more.

Then, it happened. I got a message that I took 2 provinces, I checked the war score and it was 70% exactly.

I asked for them to Satellite and they took it, giving me all three of the "German" French provinces.

I was happy.

But.. in 1848-49 I end up in a war in Austria and France doesn't help. I'm bothered by this.

I am about to pick this up again. I was doing great in Austria and I CTD'd.. then went to sleep.
 
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thorpemark said:
VIP .03 normal/normal

I have toyed with this run-through a few times... that is.. I seem to be unable to get the same results that the walk-trough promises.. it seems connected tot he price of steel.. I have large factories taking a loss on steel production and I have followed the run-through fairly closely.

So, I have had some fits and starts where I then go back to some point and try again.

This time I went back to a save taken during my war against the minors.. and I was able to get more of them, even taking a piece of some of the southern minors by 1840.

Then I tried some industry and still struggled with the price of steel.

In late 45 or early 46 and France DoW'd me for the second time.

They made a big mistake, apparently, because I had built a large regular army and could still mobilize my 16 reserve units.

I quickly went into the negative research points by trading for 5 military techs. And then I let France bring the battle to me. And they suffered. Once my reserves were available I had something like 25 units in Northern France about to be unleashed. I drove toward Paris and widened the gap by taking provinces and dividing my large armies as I advanced.

I went slowly and, because the provinces that France SHOULD have offered me count so much.. Metz and Strasbourg are each something like 45% war score.. France would not accept an offer like this nor would they make such an offer. Once I was up over 50% they suggested I take Metz and Nancy (but I wanted Strasbourg) so we kept battling.

Soon I was all the way into Normandy and had all of Northern France.. but I was getting desperate and my forces were weakening and my home provinces war weariness was causing even more rebellions.

It was going to be close. I began to lose French provinces to rebellions but I had more units working on taking more.

Then, it happened. I got a message that I took 2 provinces, I checked the war score and it was 70% exactly.

I asked for them to Satellite and they took it, giving me all three of the "German" French provinces.

I was happy.

But.. in 1848-49 I end up in a war in Austria and France doesn't help. I'm bothered by this.

I am about to pick this up again. I was doing great in Austria and I CTD'd.. then went to sleep.

I dont think Lamp wrote this guide with VIP.3 in mind. I dont even think he plays VIP but i could be wrong.
 

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here I had posted what I thought was a bug.. Generalismo says its a simple typo.. so.. let me change this message and I'll update in another message
 
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It seems to me that it might be profitable to issue censored press before going on an annexing spree. You might save about 3000$ (or more if you also go after Bavaria & Co). The question is will the increased interest eat up this profit?
 

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Little update on how my game is going..

My question will be... is CE, Conservative Empire, somehting I should be keeping for the entire game?

Now for the review:

Playing vip .03b normal/normal

Started following the guide, made adjustments on factories/trade.. took the northern German Minors. Satellited France, Embarassed Austrie, became the Conservative Empire of Germany.

After which, France decided NOT to remain a satellite and eventually attacked me and I did it to them again.

Had 2 wars with England, one with Italy (when Italy formed I got a CTD.. there was an error in some scripts.. had to change VEN to PAP - venice to papacy to fix and get past that event). Italy had satelited Bavaria rather quickly and was whooping on Austria. So I DoW'd bavaria and took them from Italy.

Eventually another event fired (Spain-Prussia thing that says Farnce will DoW me in any case).. and my Satellite DoWd me.

This time I showed no mercy and when they brought Belgium into the fight the gloves came off.. I satellited Belgium and then took all of France (not the overseas stuff.. I have no navy) and I forced France to pay reparation AND become a satellite this time.

I had never before asked for reparations and am wondering if it was a good thing to do. France is a Great Power now (after payments ended) but has a military score of 1 (yes, ONE). I wonder if I bled them too badly for them to be of use as a ally/satellite.

So, I'm still a CE, its 1880, I have some rebellions every now and then, I'm building rails and industry.. my tech is also not where it should be. The cultural wars thing is going on (catholics vs protestants).

So, I'm wondering.. should I be looking to change governments?

I'm winning but fear that my tech will be a problem down the road.
 

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Impressing thread but...

Not very realistic.
I am surprised the rest of the world didn't dow you as soon as you started your expansion wars in Germany. I cannot imagine Bavaria / Austria / Denmark / Russia / France / UK staying indifferent as you conquer all the tinies by force!!!
 

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HermannVonSalza said:
Not very realistic.
I am surprised the rest of the world didn't dow you as soon as you started your expansion wars in Germany. I cannot imagine Bavaria / Austria / Denmark / Russia / France / UK staying indifferent as you conquer all the tinies by force!!!

Why not? They'd most likely consider it a civil war.

As for the guide being for VIP, it's not, it's for vanilla (I don't play VIP) - although it is my hope the basic concepts and strategies would work no matter how modded the game gets.
 

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HermannVonSalza said:
Not very realistic.
I am surprised the rest of the world didn't dow you as soon as you started your expansion wars in Germany. I cannot imagine Bavaria / Austria / Denmark / Russia / France / UK staying indifferent as you conquer all the tinies by force!!!

You will note that the idea is to hit them FAST.

And as soon as you settle with them, you DO get DoW'd. And your BadBoy does increase.

I think I have fought something like 10-12 wars, only 3 were of my choosing.

vs German Minors (1) ** equals by choice
vs France
vs England
vs Burma ** sort of my choice, took the event
vs Denmark (avoided, I took the prestige hit.. was involved in France)
vs Hungary (in support of Russia.. who was supportinng Austria)
vs Austria
vs France
vs Denmark
vs Bavaria (satellite of Italy) ** my choice, Italy was thumping austria so bad they were nearly my neighbors near Krakow.
vs England
vs France (Belgium)

It was something like that.. england is a real pain with those landings.. even had the English Indians landing in Jutland. I just let them roll over my Burmese holdings and wait fotr them to tire out and give me a white peace.
 

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thorpemark said:
Little update on how my game is going..

My question will be... is CE, Conservative Empire, somehting I should be keeping for the entire game?

Playing vip .03b normal/normal

Just got this event:

1890-04-19 : May 20, 1890 : The Socialist Revolution happened to us.

My taxes are at 10/33/49.. the militancy for clerks and craftsmen was high, 9's and 10's.. in conservative empire with the only reform being trinket wages.

I have a lessez-faire empire.. so I cannot grant social reforms...

Is this Socialist Revolution going to be bad? Any hints on how I should handle this? I think I have enough forces to supress teh revolts.. we'll see.

Any hints would be appreciated.
 

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Lamprey said:
Your country will go communist. Say hi to your new flag.
It's just a later version of the Liberal Revolution, only socialist.Long as he crushes any revolts, before they get out of hand, he'll be fine.

# The Socialist Revolution
event = {
id = 25002
random = no
invention = yes

trigger = {
NOT = { government = { type = socialist } }
NOT = { government = { type = communist } }
NOT = { constitution = { type = proletarian_dictatorship } }
NOT = { reform = { type = trade_unions level = all } }
NOT = { reform = { type = voting_rights level = suffrage } }

NOT = {
reform = { type = political_parties level = right_to_ban }
reform = { type = press_rights level = free_press }
}
NOT = { local_flag = { name = SOCIALIST_REVOLUTION value = 1 } }

}

date = { day = 21 month = february year = 1905 }
offset = 25
deathdate = { day = 30 month = december year = 1920 }

name = "EVT_25002_NAME"
desc = "EVT_25002_DESC"


action_a = {
name = "ACTIONNAME25000A" # The Revolts are spreading
command = { type = pop_consciousness which = soldiers value = 8 }
command = { type = pop_consciousness which = farmers value = 8 }
command = { type = pop_consciousness which = labourers value = 8 }
command = { type = pop_militancy which = soldiers value = 8 }
command = { type = pop_militancy which = farmers value = 8 }
command = { type = pop_militancy which = labourers value = 8 }
command = { type = pop_militancy which = craftsmen value = 7 }
command = { type = local_setflag which = SOCIALIST_REVOLUTION value = 2 }
command = { type = plurality value = 35 }
}
}

#META#4- The End of the Liberal Revolution (Trigger: 1920+,META#3, No revolting units)
# A) Order is upheld [POPs 7-9=Con-5,Mil-7/POP 6= Mil-5]

# The End of the Socialist Revolution
event = {
id = 25003
random = no
invention = yes

trigger = {
NOT = { local_flag = { name = SOCIALIST_REVOLUTION_OVER value = 1 } }
local_flag = { name = SOCIALIST_REVOLUTION value = 1 }
}

name = "EVT_25003_NAME"
desc = "EVT_25003_DESC"

date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1919 }
offset = 30
deathdate = { day = 30 month = december year = 1920 }

action_a = {
name = "ACTIONNAME25001A" # Order is upheld
command = { type = pop_consciousness which = soldiers value = -6 }
command = { type = pop_consciousness which = farmers value = -6 }
command = { type = pop_consciousness which = labourers value = -6 }
command = { type = pop_militancy which = soldiers value = -6 }
command = { type = pop_militancy which = farmers value = -6 }
command = { type = pop_militancy which = labourers value = -6 }
command = { type = pop_militancy which = craftsmen value = -5 }
command = { type = local_setflag which = SOCIALIST_REVOLUTION_OVER value = 2 }
}
}
 
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Well, its almost 7 years since the event.

I have put down many, many revolts. Even managed to help Austria beat back Italy (and got nothing for my effort).

My whole nation is RED in revolt-risk.

I decided I had to bring down the militancy somehow... so...

I purchased all the changes to turn into a democracy.

I noticed that the ,ilitancy figure of some revolting craftsmen is now 10 (-.56) whereas prior to government switch it was 10 (+.55).. or somehting like that.

I waited a couple months and all the land is stil red and teh people still seem to want to revolt. It is so tiring. Need sleep.

Thanks for discussing this. I played, maybe teh equivalent of 10-20 games now (replaying sometimes to try different choices.. but VIP maybe 5 times) and I have never had a Socialist Revolt.. that I know of... maybe I had one that was easy to put down? I dunno.. clearly I haven't seen anything like this.

After 6 years, this is my last 6 months worth of revolts..

(Constitution change happens in May 1896)

1896-07-00 : August 1, 1896 : The people of Bayreuth are revolting!

1896-07-06 : August 7, 1896 : The people of Leipzig are revolting!

1896-07-14 : August 15, 1896 : The people of Magdeburg are revolting!

1896-07-16 : August 17, 1896 : The people of Torgau are revolting!

1896-07-20 : August 21, 1896 : The people of Münster are revolting!

1896-07-21 : August 22, 1896 : The people of Oldenburg are revolting!

1896-08-16 : September 17, 1896 : The people of Ingolstadt are revolting!

1896-08-24 : September 25, 1896 : The people of Bromberg are revolting!

1896-09-06 : October 7, 1896 : The people of Königsberg are revolting!

1896-09-16 : October 17, 1896 : The people of Metz are revolting!

1896-09-26 : October 27, 1896 : The people of Kottbus are revolting!

1896-10-14 : November 15, 1896 : The people of Köslin are revolting!

1896-10-22 : November 23, 1896 : The people of Köln are revolting!

1896-10-25 : November 26, 1896 : The people of Torgau are revolting!

1896-11-10 : December 11, 1896 : The people of Heidelberg are revolting!

1896-11-15 : December 16, 1896 : The people of Berlin are revolting!

1897-00-13 : January 14, 1897 : The people of Berlin are revolting!

1897-00-21 : January 22, 1897 : The people of Konstanz are revolting!

(hmmm.. does seem like hte revolts are slowing down according to this)
 
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HermannVonSalza said:
Not very realistic.
I am surprised the rest of the world didn't dow you as soon as you started your expansion wars in Germany. I cannot imagine Bavaria / Austria / Denmark / Russia / France / UK staying indifferent as you conquer all the tinies by force!!!

I also find it hard for the goverments of their countries to explain to their populations exatcly WHY they should DoW and get involved in "german affairs". People have a hard enough time careing about other countries now and we have the U.N. also war used to be very expensive. I don't see them getting involed unless the kings or leaders were crazy.
 

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If you dont consider going bankrupt on purpose an exploit, I use it in combination with the above strategy (which rocks by the way)

I find that by vasselizing all multi provice german minors I end up with around 1100-1200 prestige.

I always start buying all the needed resources for railroads right away, and research level 2 RR.

After I conquer Germany, I am able to build all my railroads to level 2 instantly. I also double up on alot of factories (that make $$) and convert pops if needed.

I also build around 10 infantry with artillery and 10 cavalry (to quell rebellions)

You take the big prestige hit with the bankruptcy, but I am still #1 in the world with a HUGE financial base. From time to time I'll also do a few reforms.
 

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Nearly 30 years of Social Revolution

1890-04-19 : May 20, 1890 : The Socialist Revolution happened to us.

1919-02-02 : March 3, 1919 : The End of the Socialist Revolution happened to us.

You can survive it.. but it was heinous...

Well, the strategy works in VIP .03... at least if you are a little lucky it does.

Near the end I saw Italy get involved with austira, russia and someone else.

So I took a shot at taking Rome overland (getting satellites Bavaria and France and a little help from Belgium)... Made it as far as Siena... and by then, I was weakened considerably and rebellions behind me were beyond my ability to clean up.

France will now be a GP, Italy not. Belgium is close. Would be cool to see German and two of its sateltes in the top 8.
 

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Lamprey said:
Doesn't bankruptcy destroy half of your factories?
Indeed it does, but if in the process of going bankrupt, you 4 times as many factories as you otherwise would, I guess it might be seen as paying off...

;) Rafiki