You do that and the first person I marry is yousome parts of guide were written by others, and copy pasted in.
I should do a rework yes
I'll do it when I have time for it!
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guide to royal marriages, personal unions and claim throne.
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You do that and the first person I marry is you
All typos are corrected, and the excessive coloring of text removed.
Bit exhausted now. Lost all images in the thread in the process, because I am a noob at this stuff. Oh well..
If you got suggestions on how to rewrite certain sections, please give them.
I wish this thread could be edited like the wiki sometimes, by EVERYONE
Well, you *could* make a page on the official wiki…I wish this thread could be edited like the wiki sometimes, by EVERYONE
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Wow, that was way faster than I expected. You obviously really want that marriageAll typos are corrected, and the excessive coloring of text removed.
Bit exhausted now. Lost all images in the thread in the process, because I am a noob at this stuff. Oh well..
If you got suggestions on how to rewrite certain sections, please give them.
I wish this thread could be edited like the wiki sometimes, by EVERYONE
. It is a shame the awesome teaser pictures were lost, but now that PUs occur more often, I'm sure you can get better ones. Even if I could edit the guide I'm not sure I understand it, so it wouldn't be a good idea for me to go on an editing spree. I think the guide could still use some streamlining, and not that I want to get into this discussion here, but the convoluted nature of the guide merely reflects the system. You hear that, Paradox?!
Ehm... So... Could you please guide me? :<I can probably dig up the teaser pictures again. Just not.. now
I'm playing the Coptomans. Very friendly with everyone in Europe. I noticed France had an old ruler and almost as old heir. They were friendly so I married them. Then they suddenly rivalled me and broke off the marriage! How dare they?! At first it was going to end up with a succession war between Provence and strong Castile. Now the war is going to be between Castile and Portugal. Currently Castile is friendly with me and I'm hoping to PU them too. What should I do?
Castile getting union over France might happen:
If France rivalled you, then rival them back. Marry Castile. Both those things might cause the succession war over FRANCE might go to Castile versus YOU, and you might be able to steal the union over France away.
Alternatively and at same time, if you cannot become eglible to start succession war versus castile:
if castile is France rival, then marry them and hope you somehow get same dynasty.
If Castille gets your dynasty, then you might claim their throne at some point, and do force PU war.
If you get 85% warscore versus Castile alone, you would get Castile AND France as a PU subject if you force a union over Castile.
But, easier said then done. If France goes nto union and goes over 50% liberty desire, now TGAT would be golden opportunity.
Okay, thanks. What are the chances of succession war if I either rival France or marry Castile? What are the chances if I do both?
EDIT: I did it. The succession war is still going to be between Portugal and Castile
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Okay, thanks. What are the chances of succession war if I either rival France or marry Castile? What are the chances if I do both?
EDIT: I did it. The succession war is still going to be between Portugal and Castile
You could try and up your military rating. It might also need tick of month.
Is there big difference in troop count, manpower, general pips and standing army between you and Portugal? I assume so..
It *might* change still, but I got no clue on how/when game checks and decides who the succession war will be fought by.
If it stays castille-portugal, then Portugal will likel decline the succession war popup, and castile gets Union for free.
If aragon and france and naples then go 50+LD, and you can claim their throne, you are looking at potential 4 PU targets in one war, while only fighting Castile...
Hey, one quick question. What happens if I PU someone who already has numerous PUs? I was playing Austria, after a marriage and the death of the Duke my family made its way to the Burgundian throne and now I want to see if I can claim their throne and PU them. What would happen to their PUs? Do I inherit them or do they become free?
Interesting...my diplomatic powers will go down the drain but it may be worth it...who knows maybe the BI triggers during the war. Thanks loads!
no problem but remember that the BI gives some of the land to france
but remember that the BI gives some of the land to france- 1
no problem
True, so I should look for quick stack wipes and total carpet sieges
thanks again! .
Excellent guide, Atwix, thank you!
Something interesting happened in my latest game. I'm playing Savoy, got an RM with Milan (friendly start with them), and got an automatic PU when the Duke of Milan died (not sure if AI Milan even had the choice to go Ambrosian). This was... unexpected - I'd been assuming I could use Milan to help me jump Switzerland/Genoa and turn on them in due course too.
I gather I need to a) try and blob a bit and b) keep my development high in order to stand an earthly of integrating them at some point. Any advice? (Running 1.18.4 RoM and a handful of other DLC, but not Cossacks or Mare Nostrum I think).
Something interesting happened in my latest game. I'm playing Savoy, got an RM with Milan (friendly start with them), and got an automatic PU when the Duke of Milan died (not sure if AI Milan even had the choice to go Ambrosian). This was... unexpected - I'd been assuming I could use Milan to help me jump Switzerland/Genoa and turn on them in due course too.
I gather I need to a) try and blob a bit and b) keep my development high in order to stand an earthly of integrating them at some point. Any advice? (Running 1.18.4 RoM and a handful of other DLC, but not Cossacks or Mare Nostrum I think).
it is the only way to get Milan in a PU before Ambrian republic. You got lucky.
you need to have more provinces then Milan in order to integrate them. The usual advice for Savoy would be to go for Genoa at some point, or Switzerland. (edit: as you said)
to keep Milan happy, max out relations with them. Not having cossacks will hurt a bit, as you can't grant provinces to lower their liberty desire.
If their LD goes high, you can enable 'support loyalists' in the subject interaction window, depending on what DLC you need for it. Forgot
in the long run, ally Austria, Spain, and Poland or England, depending on who rivalled France.
Something that came up in my current France game, which I've never seen before might be interesting yto you guys:
I saw the Saxon king was ~65 years old and heirless, so I RMed them (expecting that SW between Poland and Bohemia would shift to SW between France and whoever), instead I got the PU the day the RM got accepted.
Do you think it was just a lucky case of the king dying right then and the contestant refusing to attack? I'd be kinda surprised by this, as the strongest contestant would have been Poland, who might have been powerful enough to try.
I saw the Saxon king was ~65 years old and heirless, so I RMed them (expecting that SW between Poland and Bohemia would shift to SW between France and whoever), instead I got the PU the day the RM got accepted.
Do you think it was just a lucky case of the king dying right then and the contestant refusing to attack? I'd be kinda surprised by this, as the strongest contestant would have been Poland, who might have been powerful enough to try.
Yeah, usually it is because AI refuses to go to war with you.
I think they only press the attack if the defendant in the succession war is their rival.
But a Union the day you did the marriage? That sounds weird..
Either was some sort of bug, or you got very Lucky.