No, the biggest revelation was that you need to have a very powerful country set as your rival. France, England, Castille, Muscovy...
Otherwise there won't be succession wars.
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Otherwise there won't be succession wars.
Follow-up question to that: let's say I am Hesse or Brandenburg. What would constitute a suitably powerful rival? I wouldn't want to be the 3-province-minor to tell France to "back off or else".
If you are the successor, meaning your King would inherit if there was no war, then it counts as a defensive war, including the country you are inheriting on your side, and every other country you are allied to because they always join defensive wars. There is no reason not to have +100 relations with every major country, you might be - because of AE, but still, work at it.
I don't know why this is the case, but even with England, France and Morocco as rivals, the succession war for inheriting Styria (in 1454) was me against my ally Burgundy. It always seems to be between me and my most powerful ally.
Well, with Liberty desire, PUs for big countries is pretty well out, I'll share this now.
So, a strategy I've used that seems to have never been mentioned (and looks mostly useless with 1.10 for catching big fish) follows:
Rather than sitting around waiting for a country to have your dynasty on their throne, put theirs on yours. Simple and direct.
To do this, marry the target country, ally them, marry another large country, a typical example would be both France and Austria.
Kill off your heir when your monarch is hopefully pretty old. The PU warning should show. Take your French ally into war with Austria after putting your monarch on a horse.
Fight the war, draw it out until such time as your monarch dies. France will give you a noble from their dynasty, albeit with a weak claim starting out. The next heir, in my experience has an average claim followed by an heir with a strong claim - just a note that might matter if legitimacy is important for things like unrest, etc.
Done, your dynasty is now on the throne of France (vice-versa, but the same effect).
Likewise, every throne with France's dynasty is now shared by you throughout Europe.
From there, getting PUs all over Europe is a matter of timing and choice. The lucky part of getting your dynasty on target thrones is over.
So, a strategy I've used that seems to have never been mentioned (and looks mostly useless with 1.10 for catching big fish) follows:
Rather than sitting around waiting for a country to have your dynasty on their throne, put theirs on yours. Simple and direct.
To do this, marry the target country, ally them, marry another large country, a typical example would be both France and Austria.
Kill off your heir when your monarch is hopefully pretty old. The PU warning should show. Take your French ally into war with Austria after putting your monarch on a horse.
Fight the war, draw it out until such time as your monarch dies. France will give you a noble from their dynasty, albeit with a weak claim starting out. The next heir, in my experience has an average claim followed by an heir with a strong claim - just a note that might matter if legitimacy is important for things like unrest, etc.
Done, your dynasty is now on the throne of France (vice-versa, but the same effect).
Likewise, every throne with France's dynasty is now shared by you throughout Europe.
From there, getting PUs all over Europe is a matter of timing and choice. The lucky part of getting your dynasty on target thrones is over.
no. If you are very big, you can get succession wars over same dynasty countries even without a RM done.
In all other situations, yes I marry.
If France attacks YOU, austria gets called in. Just saying.
Also, you can get succession wars inside HRE. You can try a same sized nation as rival or so.
But tbh, as Brandenburg I'd try to ally burgundy/Muscovy/Sweden (if they are powerful) and set France as rival. You can then bash France easily (if managed well) with the combined might of all those+austria.
Don't forget you can just white peace out France and/or stall the war.
It all depends who controls channel node. If Burgundy does, they usually got waaaay biger military then england.
And powerful RM partners can qualify to contest succession....
When I enable the popup and pause for every message I get messages from every single country in my line of sight. How do I control which countries I get messages from? I also don't get messages anymore in the messege box over the minimap and changing the filters for the message box over the minimap doesn't do anything.
You can enable certain message types only for interesting category and other types for other. Select your interesting countries, and you will get the messages selected in "interesting" tab for those nations you made "interesting". All the other nations will go under "other" category, and you can enable/disable whatever in that tab.
As for the messages in the message box: if you click "send to log" in the message settings along with popup, you get both. But I never use the message box above minimap, as its WAY to easy to miss stuff there. But if you want to use it, set the according message types to "log". Up to you then if you want popup and pause for that message type aswell. This can be handy when you accidentaly click a popup away you didn't read. If its important, and if you set important stuff to show in the log aswell, it will also be listed there.
You will never miss anything important happening in the world again.
Hope this helps
I added the explanation to the guide aswell, as the message settings can be confusing...
i can't edit the Original post, as the text is more then 50000 characters.. D'oh
I had to split the guide in two to be able to edit it
I had to split the guide in two to be able to edit it
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Wow, lots of reading here, but tons of info too. Especially that, when you marry a great power and kill your heir and king while at war, you get their dynasty on your throne, and not end up under PU yourself. That's so much easier than trying to get your dynasty in their throne for PU purposes. That alone opens up so many possibilities, that I probably have to start a new game.
EDIT: Haven't tested it, but if you load your king in a ship, and lost that ship because attrition, does your king die too? If so, this is getting ridiculously easy and fast.
EDIT: Haven't tested it, but if you load your king in a ship, and lost that ship because attrition, does your king die too? If so, this is getting ridiculously easy and fast.
No that doesn't work.
What does work is making king/heir a general and let them assault a forth with 1k merc stack once a month. That gives the most chance of them dying.
Regarding your king dying heirless in a war giving new dynasty:
It was I hoped AND GOT in my current RYUKYU AAR.
It does add a LOAD of possibilities then.
If you plan to do this consider this: if you get yourself into a position where a Von Wittelsbach noble will take your throne on monarch death, you can get PU over (usually) Sweden, Denmark, Norway, and usually a load of HRE states aswell, and maybe even Russia.
The easiest way to score PU then is to RM heirless old kings of your dynasty to incite succession wars OR to force PU any heirless dynasty nation AFTER you did RM.
What does work is making king/heir a general and let them assault a forth with 1k merc stack once a month. That gives the most chance of them dying.
Regarding your king dying heirless in a war giving new dynasty:
It was I hoped AND GOT in my current RYUKYU AAR.
It does add a LOAD of possibilities then.
If you plan to do this consider this: if you get yourself into a position where a Von Wittelsbach noble will take your throne on monarch death, you can get PU over (usually) Sweden, Denmark, Norway, and usually a load of HRE states aswell, and maybe even Russia.
The easiest way to score PU then is to RM heirless old kings of your dynasty to incite succession wars OR to force PU any heirless dynasty nation AFTER you did RM.
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Do u have any idea how the instant inheritance thing works?
Last time i tried to get the PU over bohemia, however they married lithuania and got a jagellion. It then said lithuania is gonna inherit bohemia! And that was just after the start..
Last time i tried to get the PU over bohemia, however they married lithuania and got a jagellion. It then said lithuania is gonna inherit bohemia! And that was just after the start..
Thats perfectly normal. But Bohemia leader needs to die heirless for it to happen. And a new 20 year old king usually gets an heir.
Anyways,
if a nation has same dynasty with another (as in your example of lithunia and bohemia) then one nation can inherit another IF
1. if there is a really BIG dynasty nation around, it can flat out inherit tiny nations (the system compares tax base, but big one inheriting tiny one is easier
) of same dynasty, if their ruler dies heirless.2. (not sure on this) if you have really HIGH diplomatic reputation (like a blobbed Austria with all idea groups like diplomatic and influence) AND if you are a big nation, it might be possible to flat out inherit random tiny nations that like you. This is uncharted territory however. But people have reported seeing this happen. As to why, the above is my best guess. Historically, Austria "inherited" small HRE states if their leader died heirless in some cases.
I adapted the guide with this.
I tried like 4 different restarts with lithuania and married bohemia to see if i can reproduce it but it couldnt. I even maxed out my diplo rep/stability but never there was a chance to inherit bohemia. Maybe its random?
I'm beginning to wonder if inheriting can even happen if two nations don't share dynasty tbh. Maybe the folks who reported seeing it were wrong; they could have seen inheriting of a small PU subject.
I don't know if it can happen in general but for vassals without your dynasty it is possible to inherit them upon heirless monarch death.
I've been running some tests on PUs and it's possible to inherit a country you share RM with without being the same dynasty. I cannot figure out any sort of cause though.
One such country I was set to inherit changed to a succession war when I used the console command to move the date forward 15 years. When I moved the date back again, inheritance was once again the outcome of ruler death. It does not share the same stipulations of inheriting as vassals and PUs though.
Additionally, succession wars seem pretty random. Powerful rivals or RMs might increase the chance of a succession war, but they don't guarantee it. I've looked at prestige, legitimacy, stability, diplomatic reputation, and none of that seems to matter. It's really weird.
Of course it's possible console commands put the game out of whack somehow, but I didn't get that impression.
One such country I was set to inherit changed to a succession war when I used the console command to move the date forward 15 years. When I moved the date back again, inheritance was once again the outcome of ruler death. It does not share the same stipulations of inheriting as vassals and PUs though.
Additionally, succession wars seem pretty random. Powerful rivals or RMs might increase the chance of a succession war, but they don't guarantee it. I've looked at prestige, legitimacy, stability, diplomatic reputation, and none of that seems to matter. It's really weird.
Of course it's possible console commands put the game out of whack somehow, but I didn't get that impression.
Is there a way to access this disputed succession pop-up at any point in the game? When I first start up a game it shows up but I never know how to pull it back up if I close it.
I might be confusing with CK2 but the icon on top right below speed that I forget the name of should have disabled alerts as one of the options so you can bring them back.