Grey Alert: the German invasion of America

[Ottoman Master]

1) In The First Wave i would say maybe 45 Divisions,In New York Then ,Land the Rest In New England Meet Up With Your Forces The Americans Will Be So Distracted In New York Theyll Forget About NEw England
2)ummm Im Not Sure But Maybe Codename Grey Day
3)Like I Said In First Post Then Move to The Rest Of East Coast Use missles to Hit D.C. Then Attacvk D.C Take The Rest of the East Encircle Florida Then Move West
4)First Land With Infantry In New York Distraction Then Land With Both Armor and Infantry In New England And Some Paratroppers In Buffalo*Use The New England Airbases to Do That

 

[trekaddict]

1) Twelve Divsions in the first landings, with maybe another thirty to fourty following up immedately.
2) Grey Dawn.
3) Norfolk, as it is bordering Washington. If you take the capital early on you'll probably capture a huge part of their stockpiles and disrupt their supplies for a day or two.
4) Six Divisions Marines and six Divisions Mechnized Units (Panzers and Mot/Mec)

 

[Kurt_Steiner]

1) Depending on the TPs available. Six to nine Marine Divisions, I would guess, plus perhaps a four Divisions Mechanized Units (50% Panzers and 50% Mot/Mec)
2) GreyBeard .
3) Boston, as you have a big harbor and an air base at once where to put your naval bombers. Ok, it's a bit far away from Washington, but it's the safest area, methinks.
4) Divisions Marines plus some Divisions Mechanized Units (as stated above)

 

[Winner]

Good ideas, I'll try to comment on them a little bit.

a) There is no need to expand the U.S. industrial capacity. It's huge enough already. I'll just remove the last negative bonus (-100 IC I think). With no peacetime penalty, their IC is gonna be about 700, I think that's more than enough.
b) I am really not going to add lots of new events. First I am not a good event creator, second I am too lazy and third I don't want them to come into conflict with the existing Compendium events concerning the U.S. surrender. If somebody could send me a PM instructing me how to create an event which gives the Americans tons of militia units if a certain province is lost, I'd really appreciate it.
c) The goal is not to defeat the U.S. in a few weeks, I want some challenge, therefore I'll not use all units at my disposal - I don't want to defeat the Americans before they can mobilize against me. I plan to land a relatively small force, wait until the AI reacts, and then bring in more reinforcements.
d) I agree that New England is probably the best place to launch the invasion. The area around Boston looks promising. I don't want to capture Washington D.C. too early, I am not sure I want to expose my soldiers to fallo... uhm, never mind.
Don't forget I'll be fighting the Canadians too, so I want to get close to them as well.
e) The codename - I'd like something in line with historical German operations during WW2, something distictively German. Fall Grau sounds good, Oberherr is just hilarious Any other ideas?

 

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How abou Fall Oh mein! Sein Regnen panzers

 

[Lord Valentine]

How abou Fall Oh mein! Sein Regnen panzers

Sorry about bickering about but as a German I have to say that this sentence makes no sense. Will I suppose that "Oh mein" is a shortened form for "Oh mein Gott" (Oh my God), the next sentence I don't understand. Are you trying to say "It's raining tanks"? That would be "Es regnet Panzer" (the plural for tank is the same as the singular in German).

If I have interpreted your statement correctly I have to say I like it.

~Lord Valentine~

 

[trekaddict]

Sorry about bickering about but as a German I have to say that this sentence makes no sense. Will I suppose that "Oh mein" is a shortened form for "Oh mein Gott" (Oh my God), the next sentence I don't understand. Are you trying to say "It's raining tanks"? That would be "Es regnet Panzer" (the plural for tank is the same as the singular in German).

If I have interpreted your statement correctly I have to say I like it.

~Lord Valentine~

You beat me by a few seconds.

 

[Winner]

In World in Flames, there is an event for "operation Bifrost" - German invasion of the US. Supposedly "bifrost" is some sort of a gate or bridge in Nordic mythology. I don't want to steal this idea, but it's cool.

 

[Fernando Torres]

Well you can.

Great AAR btw, just discovered it.

 

[unmerged(95076)]

Sorry about bickering about but as a German I have to say that this sentence makes no sense. Will I suppose that "Oh mein" is a shortened form for "Oh mein Gott" (Oh my God), the next sentence I don't understand. Are you trying to say "It's raining tanks"? That would be "Es regnet Panzer" (the plural for tank is the same as the singular in German).

If I have interpreted your statement correctly I have to say I like it.

~Lord Valentine~

Im in first year German, so don't mind the extreme crappiness of my German. Its hard to learn a third language. And yes it is raining panzers!


Then said Gangleri: "What is the way to heaven from earth?"
Then Hárr answered, and laughed aloud: "Now, that is not wisely asked; has it not been told thee, that the gods made a bridge from earth to heaven, called Bifröst? Thou must have seen it; it may be that ye call it 'rainbow.' It is of three colors, and very strong, and made with cunning and with more magic art than other works of craftsmanship. But strong as it is, yet must it be broken, when the sons of Múspell shall go forth harrying and ride it, and swim their horses over great rivers; thus they shall proceed."

Then said Gangleri: "To my thinking the gods did not build the bridge honestly, seeing that it could be broken, and they able to make it as they would."

Then Hárr replied : "The gods are not deserving of reproof because of this work of skill: a good bridge is Bifröst, but nothing in this world is of such nature that it may be relied on when the sons of Múspell go a-harrying."

Ominous prediction?

 

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There was apparently a German plan to hit New York with a massive attack with shelling between Boston and perhaps as far south as Philadelphia. The "blitz" invasion was designed to shock Americans into being unable to react before Germany set up a strong base in North America. It is actually an Imperial plan dating from 1896 but might be useful as a template for the proposed invasion.

Have you considered hitting/landing at Norfolk and New York with the thought of encircling and cutting off Washington from the rest of the country?

 

[trekaddict]

There was apparently a German plan to hit New York with a massive attack with shelling between Boston and perhaps as far south as Philadelphia. The "blitz" invasion was designed to shock Americans into being unable to react before Germany set up a strong base in North America. It is actually an Imperial plan dating from 1896 but might be useful as a template for the proposed invasion.

Have you considered hitting/landing at Norfolk and New York with the thought of encircling and cutting off Washington from the rest of the country?

There has actually been written a book based on this. Go to Amazon and enter 1901 as the search.

 

[Lord Valentine]

Sorry again Merlowe, if I came across rude. I have great respect for people with broad linguistic skills since I myself haven't got any and for your first year you got pretty close to the meaning you wanted to have.

But "Operation Bifrost" sounds quite cool as well I have to say.

~Lord Valentine~

 

[TheHyphenated1]

Looks great so far! I vote invasion of the South for what it's worth.

 

[gooy]

well i think that if you want to make the invasion challenging you should go with some additional scripts rather than trying to get to the level of the ai and making some totally irrational decisions concerning the landing. really, if the germans had landed, faced no(or little) opposition and had enough troops to advance they'd do it. the only reason not to do it would be hitler messing up the generals' plans

btw do you plan on nuking them?

 

[Winner]

There was apparently a German plan to hit New York with a massive attack with shelling between Boston and perhaps as far south as Philadelphia. The "blitz" invasion was designed to shock Americans into being unable to react before Germany set up a strong base in North America. It is actually an Imperial plan dating from 1896 but might be useful as a template for the proposed invasion.

Have you considered hitting/landing at Norfolk and New York with the thought of encircling and cutting off Washington from the rest of the country?

I've spent some time browsing through Google maps and to much surprise I found most of the US Eastern Seabord unsuitable for invasion No solid beaches, rugged shoreline, shallows, too many islands etc. Now I am thinking about making two landings, the main one south of Boston in Cape Cod and surrounding beaches, the second one north of Boston, near Glouchester.

Do you think it's feasible?

 

[Winner]

well i think that if you want to make the invasion challenging you should go with some additional scripts rather than trying to get to the level of the ai and making some totally irrational decisions concerning the landing. really, if the germans had landed, faced no(or little) opposition and had enough troops to advance they'd do it. the only reason not to do it would be hitler messing up the generals' plans

btw do you plan on nuking them?

Well, it's not that irrational with the distances we're talking about. German advance would be limited not by choice, but the lack of fuel and supplies. Also, I don't think that it's realistic to land more than 6 divisions in the first wave, plus 3 additional as reserve in following days. Certainly it's not realistic to land panzers and let them loose, they'd run out of fuel in a matter of days (realistically speaking, HoI2 tends to underestimate the importance of logistics).

The plan I am considering now is to land the divisions around Boston, capture the city , perhaps broaden the beachhead a little bit and wait until the port is repaired. Then I'll start bringing in limited number of armored, mechanized and motorized formations (say, 6 divisions a month?) depending on the strength of the American/Canadian resistance.

Nukes - I invested a lot into them, and the Americans should be punished for their war crimes against the Chinese and Japanese people

 

[robw963]

I love the retro newsreel graphic style effect on your screen shots. Clever way to deal with the resolution. Great graphics. I'll be following

 

[gooy]

well i guess it's pretty unlikely for the americans to use scorched earth tactics in their homeland. and finding oil in the us should not be a big problem and the infrastructure favors mobile units.

while writing this i got another idea is it possible to land in the gulf of mexico? i think texas should be a high priority just as baku was. and capturing the texan oilfields would make bringing in more mechanized troops a lot more realistic.
so maybe 18-24 divs(mainly marines and inf) in new england to take the industry and get the attention of the us troops and a few weeks later an invasion somewhere in the gulf of mexico with less troops but with at least one corps of mot or mech inf to race into texas.
anyway i don't know what would the us navy have to say about this

another priority might be the panama channel. you might take the british isles in the carribean as a staging point (if you don't have them already) and capture the channel.

oh yeah, and nuke something on the west coast and the japanese clean it up

 

[Winner]

well i guess it's pretty unlikely for the americans to use scorched earth tactics in their homeland. and finding oil in the us should not be a big problem and the infrastructure favors mobile units.

while writing this i got another idea is it possible to land in the gulf of mexico? i think texas should be a high priority just as baku was. and capturing the texan oilfields would make bringing in more mechanized troops a lot more realistic.
so maybe 18-24 divs(mainly marines and inf) in new england to take the industry and get the attention of the us troops and a few weeks later an invasion somewhere in the gulf of mexico with less troops but with at least one corps of mot or mech inf to race into texas.
anyway i don't know what would the us navy have to say about this

another priority might be the panama channel. you might take the british isles in the carribean as a staging point (if you don't have them already) and capture the channel.

I am certainly considering a second landing somewhere in the South, but my navy is weak and its range is rather limited. Plus, as I mentioned the US navy seem to be stationed in Miami. I don't think I am ready to risk a landing in the Gulf of Mexico, at least not until I conquer Florida.