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You can get an alliance with the Turks if you try. I played as Granada once, did fairly well, but was helped verily by the Turks DoWing Castile. I handled Portugal with ease, and was left to fight Aragon and the rump Castile at about 1550. The only problem was that the Turks annexed about three Castilian provs, so I was SOL, as far as uniting Spain under the Granadan flag. (even though there is no Viva Espana event for Granada.)
 

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Check these out for some strategy ideas.


Hello Mada, Hello Fada-Granada AAR

Very Moorish: Granada AAR

Pull the Pin and Count to Five ...

BTW, The AAR Library is updated with the AAR's listed by country and section of the world. A nice thread with links to all of the AAR's and pics....like this:
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Here is the link to the librAARy:)(scroll down a little when it opens):
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The way to win the first war as granada is be where your enemy isn't. Start by building only infrantry and as much as you can because most of any fighting will be in mountains. When Castilla attacks, try to spit your armies and go north and try to siege at least 2 provences. Let them seige you capital, who cares, attrition will bring down their numbers. If you find yourself at war with more than one of Portual, Aragon and castilla, try to buy pease with everone but castilla. The key is to keep taking 2 cities while castilla just gets one, eventually, if you control 5 or 6 you should be offered a good peace deal. Only engage in combat if you have a decisive numerical advantage, your troops have a very low quality. Just be patient and don't settle for a crappy peace deal. You should get at least the canary islands and 1 or 2 other cities.

Also, DO NOT annex castilla until after they get the event creating a center of trade in Andunasia (sp?) Just take everything else and take them out after you get the center of trade. It's quite ammusing to see Christof Colon at a land based leader.
 

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Originally posted by Michael Cote'
Also, DO NOT annex castilla until after they get the event creating a center of trade in Andunasia (sp?) Just take everything else and take them out after you get the center of trade. It's quite ammusing to see Christof Colon at a land based leader.

So if Granada controls Andalusia, but Spain/Castille still exists, then the COT will still pop up?

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Originally posted by BarristerBoy


So if Granada controls Andalusia, but Spain/Castille still exists, then the COT will still pop up?

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I don't know if the CoT will appear no matter what, but there is no trigger in the event for Spain to own Andalusia
 

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Yes, the event has no triggers that check for ownership the event happens between 1501-1506. In my current game Portugal had Both Tago and Andelusia, I guess the had taken it from the moors who had taken it from Castile. Ofcourse I felt compelled to relieve them of such a burden and took both away from them. :D
 

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Originally posted by Castelion
Yes, the event has no triggers that check for ownership the event happens between 1501-1506. In my current game Portugal had Both Tago and Andelusia, I guess the had taken it from the moors who had taken it from Castile. Ofcourse I felt compelled to relieve them of such a burden and took both away from them. :D

Quite nice of you to relieve them of the bookkeeping burden and the worries of where to spend all that cash... :D
 

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Originally posted by BarristerBoy


So if Granada controls Andalusia, but Spain/Castille still exists, then the COT will still pop up?


CoT creation happens anyways.. I had a case with the Netherlands forming giving England a CoT in Holland. :D England needed this, however, since they went for the Concentration Center in London.
 

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Well, I was gonna use this request as an opportunity to shamelessly plug my own Granada AAR, but Backpack beat me to the punch. :)

The first war that you fight with Castile decides an awful lot. I won it on my first try in my AAR game, but the difficulty was only Hard / Aggressive. Still, it was a very near thing. My advice is to try to fight a VERY defensive war. Let Castile and her friends besiege Gibraltar all they want: it's just a rock. Protect your capital at all costs and force the enemy to dislodge you from the mountains. With a little bit of luck, you'll still win battles despite being severely outmatched, thanks to the mountain defense bonus. Keep building troops constantly, taking out loans if necessary. You'll be amazed how many Castilians will gladly die at your feet.

You should by no means settle for a white peace with Castile. Try to get any allies out of the war, paying them a few ducats if necessary. Once you're fighting Castile alone, stay on the defensive until you feel you can successfully counter-attack. Then do it. Try to attack the Castilian army while it is in Andalusia, so that you avoid the mountain defense bonus that just saved your hide. Eventually, you will destroy Castile's main army and all she'll have left are new troops constructed in the north that she dribbles southward. You should be able to slay these while besieging their provinces.

DO NOT SETTLE FOR PEACE WITH CASTILE WITHOUT GETTING AT LEAST TWO PROVINCES. If you do, you might as well start a new game and try again, because Castile and her friends will only DoW you again in five years, and you're right back to where you started. I recommend you try for Toledo and Andalusia. Andalusia has a large population base and produces wine. Also, it's Muslim, so no wrong-religion penalty. Toledo is literally a gold mine. Once you own Toledo, Castile's abilty to make war against you will be severely hindered. The reason why taking two provinces is so important is that it will make the other Iberian nations think twice about DoW'ing you. Of course, if you can manage to take more than two, go ahead. Just try to make sure they are Granadan shield provinces so you don't pick up any BB.

That should get you through the first war. Again, you'll need a little luck. But you'll find that the game totally changes once you win that first war and take territory from Castile. In my AAR game, the continued existence of Granada has forced the other Iberian nations to pursue some wild strategies. Castile took over most of Eire and Portugal vassalized Brittany.

The Andalusia CoT is irrelevant. By that point of the game you should already have destroyed Portugal and taken Tago, which gets the trade income from most of where Andalusia does anyway. If it does appear, well, then you've got two. ;) Unless you've edited Spain's event file like I have, I strongly suggest you destroy Castile / Spain before 1490. If you do not, the Expulsion of the Moors event will change two (or maybe four) of your provinces to Catholic.
 

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Originally posted by emir
so that event doesnt check who is owning province, it just changes your province to catholic? this sound to me like bug....

Well, more like an assumption by the event scripters that Granada would be dead by the time the expulsion occurs in the game. I edited my event file to check for ownership. In my version, if Spain doesn't own all of the provinces the event affects, an alternate event is triggered which affects only two provinces instead of four, and if Spain doesn't own any of the provinces the original event effects, then nothing happens.

Sorry if my post implied that the trade center and expulsion events were one and the same. Didn't intend to confuse you there ... :)
 

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Originally posted by natt och dag
no no no, two different events.
2. throw the moors out, provinces turns catholic.
But only if they are owned by the country who has that event. It's cultural changes which doesn't check for ownership.