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Hi, so I've been playing a lot of the nations with new focus trees and I can say that it happened more than once.

went fascist as Greece and puppeted Bulgaria, they did the "Join the Tripartite Pact" focus and stopped being my puppet, after I joined the axis they got my territory, pls fix that.



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LOL.

I saw that on Feedbackgaming's video and nearly cried, then it happened again in my game (well, two of them now) and I almost suffered an aneurysm. :')
Never mind that the Byzantium tree grants cores to all the Turkish states EXCEPT Hatay lol... :eek:

The only way I worked around this was to rush Fascism via the Venizelos/EEE Byzantium tree, conquer Bulgaria before they joined the Axis/war broke out (since you can't justify as a democratic Greece). I then joined the axis and Germany STILL gave Bulgaria my cores (despite being my puppet), so I gave them tonnes of lend-lease until I could simply annex Bulgaria.

Hate to say it, but it's a heck of an oversight. This is also partially linked to another problem regarding Greek relations with Italy, who almost always attempt to justify on you no-matter the circumstances (this only cancels if Greek rush-join the Axis before an Italian DoW). Greece's "Rapprochement with Italy" focus should lead to Italy not justifying on Greece, but this would require Italy being able to access the "Befriend Greece" focus in it's tree. Given it is currently locked behind the "Italy First" path, this will almost never happen with an AI Italy (or even an axis player). I realise Italy will be reworked at some point in the near future (with Italy being alongside the Soviets as being MOST in need of new trees and general reworking), however they need some tweaks to make work done on BOTH DoD and subsequently with BftB fit properly into present game mechanics and focus trees.

On this note I do propose this slight modification to the tree, so Axis Italy CAN pursue friendship with Greece. To further compliment this, Greece ought to get a decision / event which could propose Italy to partition Albania, and one for an agreement over the Dodecanese. Whilst on the topic of focuses, I realise Greece ought to be in a pretty dire state and this is reflected in the diabolical national spirits Greece starts with, along with a pitiful number of factories. However consider allocating Greece 1 addition civ factory in one of the states suggested below (most likely Thessaly), and considering what few military factories exist in the focus tree, they all sit behind limited / mutually exclusive parts of the tree. Though they shouldn't start with more than 2 or 3 mil factories at game start, it would be nice if the "Hellenic armed forces" focus conferred even only a couple of factories.

Another point is that some further attention needs to be paid to the map and states in the game. I'm quite pleased they added Istanbul city, Amasya, Hatay and then Moesia to Turkey and Bulgaria respectively (Oh, and northern Epirus). However Plovdiv ought to be split north / south of the Marista river, with the northern state centered on Stara Zagora, and also incorporating Sliven and Yambol from the neighbouring state of Burgas. The state of Western Macedonia ought to be made from the western provinces of Central Macedonia and the north-eastern provinces that are erroneously part of Epirus. Likewise Thessaly/Thessalia as a new state centered around the city of Larissa, and ought to be made from the northern provinces erroneously part of of Attica and from the southern portions of Central Macedonia. Lastly since we have all the other Islands, make a new state of the Ionian Island from Corfu, Zakinthos and Cephalonia. Albania itself should be further split into a northern state called "Ghegheria" and the southern portion would remain "Albania" as is presently. As a final point, split the province of Alexandroupolis (the city along the Evros/Maritsa that is nestled between Bulgaria and Turkey) approximately into northern and southern provinces (this would help to reduce some of the gaminess of having Turkey throw it's army against one's bulk of the Greek army that can be focused into one single province).
 
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It's a common bug with focuses that makes countries join factions. Puppets always break free if they and their overlord end up in different factions. Paradox usually fixes it by adding a "is independant" condition to the focus, you can do a bug report if there isn't one already.
 
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On this note I do propose this slight modification to the tree, so Axis Italy CAN pursue friendship with Greece. To further compliment this, Greece ought to get a decision / event which could propose Italy to partition Albania, and one for an agreement over the Dodecanese. Whilst on the topic of focuses, I realise Greece ought to be in a pretty dire state and this is reflected in the diabolical national spirits Greece starts with, along with a pitiful number of factories. However consider allocating Greece 1 addition civ factory in one of the states suggested below (most likely Thessaly), and considering what few military factories exist in the focus tree, they all sit behind limited / mutually exclusive parts of the tree. Though they shouldn't start with more than 2 or 3 mil factories at game start, it would be nice if the "Hellenic armed forces" focus conferred even only a couple of factories.
I've made a thread in suggestions on how the Greek focus tree can be improved so upvote it and bump it if you want, would help if we want the devs to see it.
 
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I've made a thread in suggestions on how the Greek focus tree can be improved so upvote it and bump it if you want, would help if we want the devs to see it.

Shall do man, I'll have a look now and stew on your proposals. I'm just really annoyed that all their neighbours have been done, yet as a "major" power, Italy has been left alone. Honestly, Paradox should've done Italy when they did Portugal, and then did Portugal as a distant part of a South American update (no offense to the Portuguese obviously, but they played little role in WW2)... :/
 

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Shall do man, I'll have a look now and stew on your proposals. I'm just really annoyed that all their neighbours have been done, yet as a "major" power, Italy has been left alone. Honestly, Paradox should've done Italy when they did Portugal, and then did Portugal as a distant part of a South American update (no offense to the Portuguese obviously, but they played little role in WW2)... :/
Italy is my favourite nation to play tbh, and I am kind of glad that they didn't do a focus tree for it yet, because focuses are getting bigger and better, and an Italian focus tree in 2021 would just be better than any other focus tree that is yet in the game, + older focuses don't interact that well with newer ones, but newer ones are made to interact well with the others.
For example, as a Romanian I am kind of sad that the Romanian focus tree came so early in the game, imagine a Romanian focus tree that came with BftB and done in the style of the other 3...
 
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Shall do man, I'll have a look now and stew on your proposals. I'm just really annoyed that all their neighbours have been done, yet as a "major" power, Italy has been left alone. Honestly, Paradox should've done Italy when they did Portugal, and then did Portugal as a distant part of a South American update (no offense to the Portuguese obviously, but they played little role in WW2)... :/
Also now that every nation around Italy and every nation that can get an alliance and interact with Italy got a focus tree now Italy can (hopefully) have a focus that will interact really well with the other updated focuses and have some small subbranches for each alliance that is not initiated by them (Stresa Front, Pact of Rome, Anglo-Italian Alliance, Latin Entente, Latin Bloc...)