That's a different problem. If anything, the Ottomans should conquer land quicker than they do now.
Greek base taxes are a joke, improve them.
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Actually, I'm starting to grow fond of NIs that I previously considered junk. Figuring out a way to augment them and make them useful adds a small dynamic. Georgia's NIs aren't the greatest but if you stack the manpower recover modifiers it becomes essentially the same as having infinite manpower (oops, hope DDRJake didn't see that, only he does truly "infinite" stuff)
Anyway, playing with junk NIs actually started showing me things by trying to figure out how to get value out of them. But yes, I normally always look to see what NIs I have and/or will be getting.
Another case where I avoid "good NIs" is when playing TO or another bishopric. It's true that these aren't the best, and I have yet to figure out how to put the garrison recovery buff to good use, but simply saying no to becoming Prussia and no to switching from Catholic has it's appeal. Stomping France when your strongest idea is +2 missionary strength has a certain warm fuzzy feeling for me
Fair enough, I'm just saying to avoid the generics because they're trash; whether a given NI set is good or not is another story.
For the knights though, there's little as satisfying as bisecting the Ottomans by conquering the Western coast of Asia Minor.
It's Polandball. It's all about stereotypes humour. Stereotypes are always offensive.
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Depends on your take on fun. If it had any short of accuracy or it was intended for actual offense, I might find it offending too. But on both accounts its no.
I would hardly call it a stereotype, its a meme. It has nothing to do with reality in fact it has more to do with miss-information which imho is what it makes it funny. And no stereotypes are not always offensive. It all comes from the persons involved and how they use it.
Turkeyball is not amused!
One would think of the opposite...
I just love how HRE fans love to tell anyone that Wester Europe was a pinnacle of the world civilization, while RotW were barbarians with no culture, tech and population /sarcasm off
I think this describes a LOT of EU4. Paradox is INCREDIBLY generous with the non-Western Europe powers as is. People keep throwing insults at them as if they're conspiring to make RotW look weak, but the simple fact is that they're actually TOO generous with RotW and it disallows many historical events to happen now.
Well, devs also "hate" North and Central America with their miserable 5-7 BT and coparable to HRE size provinces.
(sorry, I feel too sarcastic...)
Edit: surely Havana in 1444 was way more rich, populous, and prosperous than petty little deserved, looted Athens with miserable 2 millenia history.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Cuba
Pre-Columbus Cuba had a third of a million people? Nice. Your argument is silly; should we beef up Tunis because of Carthage, or beef up Egypt and the Middle East because of their even longer history than Greece? Maybe add Antarctica with some areas and change Crete to BT 16?
Athens' rich and prosperous history is not influential at this point. Base tax can and does reflect the income and potential of the time period, which is long past the city's golden age. The colonies are effectively base tax zero until settled, at which point their location and fertile plantation land is perfectly valid as greater in value than that in Greece.
5 tax base is a lot. It's at least way more than so many of the Chinese provinces. At any rate, Havana was indeed richer,more populous and more prosperous than Athens when it was colonized. In 1444,no one gets the tax from Havana. The six tax base is only active when it becomes colonized.
"Potential" is the right definition of the province BT. This is why I'm quite sure that wild jungles of Caribbeans and dense forests of Chesapeake bay had way more potential than (for example) Athens under control of restored Byzantium in 1600's.
If I recall correctly, Havana has 7 BT which is way higher than average 3 BT. China is another case for investigations and has their own 7-12 BT provinces.
Athens was not the prosperous trade hub of antiquity even during the Byzantine period before the 4th crusade. The only justification for Athens becoming on par with the truly rich and prosperous provinces that have 8+ base tax would be for a restored Greece, which would far better be realized with a simple event not a buff to the province in general. We already do that next door for Constantinople with the Ottomans and Byzantines.
These colonies with their base tax over 1 don't just always have it. They are effectively zero until someone colonizes, produce no goods for years, and only after having been built up for many years (at a maintenance cost) do they emerge at their powerful status... with 50-75% local autonomy or under a colonial nations' control. By the time you're seeing places like Manhattan and Havana as better than Greece, many years, often decades, have gone into their development.
If you want to argue for a buff to the Greek region, great, do it for places that SHOULD have it, like Morea and Crete, which WERE prosperous, growing, and vital to trade in the region. Not for Athens, which is over a thousand years past being a center of importance.
China also has a lot of 1-5 tax base provinces which were much populous than 1444 Athens.
Erhm....Joke? By the same regard no joking/pics or memes should be allowed.
Can you give some examples for your argument?
I can give counter examples from EU4 where ~10k European troops squish all of Ming China's troops in 1600.
And I'm sure anyone who's played enough would agree with me. Especially those that remember the pre-1.6 pip rework when Tercios meant instant death for almost anyone non-Western
Actually I'm highly unsatisfied not only about poor BT of Greek provinces, but with overall quality of Balkans and Eastern European region.
CN's AI is a bit retarded: they rarely build province upgrades even while they have a lot of gold and MP (checked with cheats in normal mode). But any European nation that abandons their homeland for New World in 1600-1650's becomes a superpower, because they have no problems with autonomy.
China is not an exemplar (and has quite a high total BT, actually). The exemplar is Western Europe and New world with their superrich 5-7 BT per province with the only downside downside of low manpower which is compensated by quests (build 2-lvl fort). So if you have complaints about China being poor, just start a new thread ))
http://www.eu4wiki.com/images/4/49/Base_manpower_map.png
http://www.eu4wiki.com/images/8/8c/Base_tax_map.png