Athens durring the Ottoman occupation has been reduced to nothing more than a village consisting of 200 or so houses by the time it was liberated.
Under the crusader duchy it was not better off either what with the catholic resentment and changing hands constantly stability was far off. With the fall of Constantinople and Greece in general the Greek population had its greatest decline in its 3000 years (up to the games time frame) history in terms of population and literacy (ironically enough up till today literacy levels have constantly have been higher than the rest of Balkans and turkey).
As has been said Thessaloniki has been the most important city on the Peninsula even from the middle ages and I think it was the third largest city in the empire ->Constantinople->Rome->Thessaloniki. Remove Rome after the city was sacked and onwards.
So all in all there are two trains of thought: As long as Athens remain in the hands of the Ottos it ok as it is. As long as it gets liberated one can argue for an event to Increase its base tax after say a few years since the Greeks get up and running again (both as a Greek tag or a Byzantine one). But two things have to be considered:
One a byzantine empire if reconquest's the Balkans and Asia Minor will be swimming in cash, so something like that is kinda overkill. Same for a restored Greece, or Ottos. The only that would help would be the duchy itself.
Two: The problem itself is not the base tax of a single province but the cultural union itself (Greek). There are no Byzantine groups currently (Don't tell me about Gothic cause I am gonna piss myself laughing) since they removed the Armenians and Georgians out of it for whatever stupid reason without at least doing something to decrease the cultural threshold for acceptance.
And on a general sidenote add the pisspoor NI of Greece and you are set. Seriously now I have formed the damned thing out of an OPM and I get the generics?
EDIT: I agree on the notion that the Greeks should get an event to turn Constantinople as their capital after they free it (weather as byz or any other Greek tag) and swap it back into Greek, after all after the occupation and eventual turkification it had a major Greek pop that remained till the 70's despite the constant persecutions.
EDIT2: If I wanted to add a bit of historicity on the Subjects I would add an event for all the Balkans (east slavics?) to get some short of even if they capture Constantinople. After all it was the city of worlds desire and even the Bulgarians in the second Balkan war wanted to capture it and crown emperor their own Tsar. Perhaps giving some hefty prestige and diplo bonus.
Under the crusader duchy it was not better off either what with the catholic resentment and changing hands constantly stability was far off. With the fall of Constantinople and Greece in general the Greek population had its greatest decline in its 3000 years (up to the games time frame) history in terms of population and literacy (ironically enough up till today literacy levels have constantly have been higher than the rest of Balkans and turkey).
As has been said Thessaloniki has been the most important city on the Peninsula even from the middle ages and I think it was the third largest city in the empire ->Constantinople->Rome->Thessaloniki. Remove Rome after the city was sacked and onwards.
So all in all there are two trains of thought: As long as Athens remain in the hands of the Ottos it ok as it is. As long as it gets liberated one can argue for an event to Increase its base tax after say a few years since the Greeks get up and running again (both as a Greek tag or a Byzantine one). But two things have to be considered:
One a byzantine empire if reconquest's the Balkans and Asia Minor will be swimming in cash, so something like that is kinda overkill. Same for a restored Greece, or Ottos. The only that would help would be the duchy itself.
Two: The problem itself is not the base tax of a single province but the cultural union itself (Greek). There are no Byzantine groups currently (Don't tell me about Gothic cause I am gonna piss myself laughing) since they removed the Armenians and Georgians out of it for whatever stupid reason without at least doing something to decrease the cultural threshold for acceptance.
And on a general sidenote add the pisspoor NI of Greece and you are set. Seriously now I have formed the damned thing out of an OPM and I get the generics?
EDIT: I agree on the notion that the Greeks should get an event to turn Constantinople as their capital after they free it (weather as byz or any other Greek tag) and swap it back into Greek, after all after the occupation and eventual turkification it had a major Greek pop that remained till the 70's despite the constant persecutions.
EDIT2: If I wanted to add a bit of historicity on the Subjects I would add an event for all the Balkans (east slavics?) to get some short of even if they capture Constantinople. After all it was the city of worlds desire and even the Bulgarians in the second Balkan war wanted to capture it and crown emperor their own Tsar. Perhaps giving some hefty prestige and diplo bonus.
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