Really? 5 base tax for Athens. This city should have the highest base tax in all of the Balkans. The Chios name tag is actually on the island of Lesvos, needs to be renamed to Lesvos http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lesbos_Prefecture#mediaviewer/File:Nomos_Lesvou.png. Greece needs to be able to content with anatolia it's base taxes should be similiar seeing as it inherited all of the wealth of Byzantium.
Greek base taxes are a joke, improve them.
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I actually disagree fundamentally. I think the whole area is just fine, especially since if you actually get byzantium going to outpace all of europe quite easily when it comes to economics. Any more and your just flat out op.
If I'm not mistaken Athens was really, really, really insignificant in the game's time frame, and Thessaloniki was actually far more important. So what is the basis of the claim that '[Athens] should have the highest base tax in all of the Balkans'?
base tax isn't even a great metric for defining a regions wealth, gameplay wise.
now, what you really want is for all your provinces to have cloth, most OP trade good in the game
now, what you really want is for all your provinces to have cloth, most OP trade good in the game
It's better than most Asian, African, and American provinces, definitely.
When compared to the Asia and other regions, Greece base tax is fine. When you compare it to the Europe then you may have a little bit a problem, but just a little bit.
Considering that Athens was a classical city of learning and commerce, it's current status in game doesn't really reflect that. It could have an estuary or a center of trade, and it doesn't have much base tax by European standards and it doesn't necessarily have to go to the ottomans.
I know on that last one it sounds like I'm smokin da crack pipe, but the rest are serious. I would concede that by global standards it has high base tax. But controlling Athens means controlling the Agean sea, which is a considerable avenue of wealth at this time. All the shipping wealth of istambul - where is that flowing past? Certainly not upstream into the Crimea.
Honestly though, Athens could easily end up in Byzantine, Venetian, or (on the outside chance) Achean or Morean hands. Playing as a Greek nation against the Ottomans, owning Athens should unlock a decision outright, like getting Constantinople is for the Turks. +1 Base tax, tradepower etc.
A step on the way to forming Greece, if you will.
I know on that last one it sounds like I'm smokin da crack pipe, but the rest are serious. I would concede that by global standards it has high base tax. But controlling Athens means controlling the Agean sea, which is a considerable avenue of wealth at this time. All the shipping wealth of istambul - where is that flowing past? Certainly not upstream into the Crimea.
Honestly though, Athens could easily end up in Byzantine, Venetian, or (on the outside chance) Achean or Morean hands. Playing as a Greek nation against the Ottomans, owning Athens should unlock a decision outright, like getting Constantinople is for the Turks. +1 Base tax, tradepower etc.
A step on the way to forming Greece, if you will.
athenes wasnt the important city it had been in the classical era for a while now - 5 base tax is entierly justified, although it might be bumped up just a tad to 6 maybe.
I think this is actually quite fair. One of the few issues I have with forming Greece is that you don't get the kinds of buffs to Constantinople that the Turks and the Byzantines can get. Furthermore, with the current culture change rules, you're never going to Hellenize Constantinople if the Turk has conquered it. Or any other Greek areas that may have been made Turkish... or even Lombard.
How does importance matter at all? At day 1 after reaching 1000 population Havanna has 6 base tax, maybe 7.2 with missions etc. I doubt they have been an "important centre" of whatever in 15xx.
after it became a fully functioning colony, it was a very important place, yes more than athens
The base tax of Greece seems fine, with the possible exception of Epirus. It could possibly benefit from a slight buff (like make Athens a centre of trade or something) but not much more.
What does need a buff is the northern Balkans, which are far too low base tax. They need a significant boost.
Maybe once Hungary, Serbia and Bosnia are stronger you might be able to justify tweaking the tax of provinces like Athens.
What does need a buff is the northern Balkans, which are far too low base tax. They need a significant boost.
Maybe once Hungary, Serbia and Bosnia are stronger you might be able to justify tweaking the tax of provinces like Athens.
Add a couple of events if Greece is formed that grant a small base tax boost or adds a center of trade, that way you don't just buff Ottomans or Byzantines for holding the area.
Which has nothing to do with base tax. If we were going entirely on trade goods then Europe needs a buff.