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Wouldn't know, I haven't bothered with a Total War game since the original Rome. Experts correct me if I'm wrong but weren't at least some of them quite urban? They just built in wood instead of stone so not much is left.

As I understand it Germans were pretty much quasi-nomadic tribals at this point though.
 

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Wouldn't know, I haven't bothered with a Total War game since the original Rome. Experts correct me if I'm wrong but weren't at least some of them quite urban? They just built in wood instead of stone so not much is left.

As I understand it Germans were pretty much quasi-nomadic tribals at this point though.

Well, my computer gets overheated when I try to run the later Total War games so I can't know for sure, but I think this representation of the Gauls is much better than in the first Total War game.

http://wiki.totalwar.com/w/Arverni_(TWR2_faction).html

To my understanding Caesar conquering Gaul like he did was a BIG thing. Not something that any Roman or Hellenic general would have been able to pull off.
 

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Well, my computer gets overheated when I try to run the later Total War games so I can't know for sure, but I think this representation of the Gauls is much better than in the first Total War game.

http://wiki.totalwar.com/w/Arverni_(TWR2_faction).html

To my understanding Caesar conquering Gaul like he did was a BIG thing. Not something that any Roman or Hellenic general would have been able to pull off.

Well the Suebi and Iceni are still your average shirtless guys. Although the Suebi are wearing wolf pelts and pants while the Iceni only get body paint and pants.
 

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Wouldn't know, I haven't bothered with a Total War game since the original Rome. Experts correct me if I'm wrong but weren't at least some of them quite urban? They just built in wood instead of stone so not much is left.

As I understand it Germans were pretty much quasi-nomadic tribals at this point though.
Now we are more towards CKII times, but still within the Western Empire (for some of the estimations at least), but Dannevirke (the Danish border wall towards Germany) stems from around 400 AD. And that required a quite centralised state to build and hence presumably also has had some kind of larger settlements, though of course nothing like what existed in Greece or Italy. And it is quite long after the start date.
There has been found remains of Bronze Age settlements too though.
So something would have existed. But whether it was what was being ruled from at the time I don't know.
 

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Celts were certainly urban, with well established settlements, government, trade and skilled in metalwork and even had roads of a sort. They built in wattle and doab and wood, not brick and stone, but they had civilisation, none the less. But since it wasn't the Roman's idea of civilisation, they put them down. The Celts had pillaged Rome itself in the 4th Century (just before the start date of this game) and the Romans never really got over it. The Celts were forever after the boogie man of Roman civilization - they were Rome's paranoid fear, the stereotypical traditional enemy, and this was played upon in Roman writings. Romans needed to feel superior to the Celts, to allay/disguise their fears, and to justify their invasions, so the Celts were usually portrayed as barbaric and a threat. Accuracy be damned. Roman writings had too much credibility for far too long and so the image of the Celts being savages have been passed down and ingrained into the modern mindset. But they weren't really. They had civilisation - it was just different to that of the Romans.
 

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Well the Suebi and Iceni are still your average shirtless guys. Although the Suebi are wearing wolf pelts and pants while the Iceni only get body paint and pants.

Actually, the Suebi wear clothes in the game now, and only a few levy units + the naked berserker units have shirtless dudes in them.

Iceni still have a mass of them though.
 

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Time for a World Conquest with Tenedos!
 

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and even had roads of a sort
Speaking of roads then those even existed in backwaters like Denmark. The oxen road stems back to something like 1000 BC and used to be up to a few hundred metres wide to accommodate the large size of the oxen herds.
 

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Speaking of roads then those even existed in backwaters like Denmark. The oxen road stems back to something like 1000 BC and used to be up to a few hundred metres wide to accommodate the large size of the oxen herds.

Was it really a road? And not only a 'way'? The Danish word indicates it's a 'way' not a actualle 'road'.
 

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Was it really a road? And not only a 'way'? The Danish word indicates it's a 'way' not a actualle 'road'.
Not sure what the difference between a road and a way is.
And note that in Danish we only have one word to denote a road, vej. Or technically that's not fully correct as there are a few others, pretty much solely used in cities of the lead ups to manors. E.g. allé (avenue), gade, gyde/stræde (alley), and possibly one or two more I can't remember atm.

Point being that it being called vej means nothing as that's what a road normally is called---at least outside the cities.

This is an example of what you'd call a vej. (Obviously wouldn't have tarmac back then, but you get my point.)
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Not sure what the difference between a road and a way is.
And note that in Danish we only have one word to denote a road, vej. Or technically that's not fully correct as there are a few others, pretty much solely used in cities of the lead ups to manors. E.g. allé (avenue), gade, gyde/stræde (alley), and possibly one or two more I can't remember atm.

Point being that it being called vej means nothing as that's what a road normally is called---at least outside the cities.

This is an example of what you'd call a vej. (Obviously wouldn't have tarmac back then, but you get my point.)

The difference between a road and a way during this era would be... this is a road in the Antiquitiy:

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That's a way:

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Trading routes could also exist on ways, which are not the same as a stoned roman road.
 

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The difference between a road and a way during this era would be... this is a road in the Antiquitiy:

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That's a way:

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Trading routes could also exist on ways, which are not the same as a stoned roman road.
Ah. Well I'm 99% certain that it never was like the Roman road you posted a picture of.
Though it was more than that way you posted, so some kind of in between. Plus as mentioned it was hundreds of metres wide at places. But primarily made from stamped dirt, I think. Though no expert on it.
Still it was a major, permanent road/way/whatever. And either way my point just was that permanent paths of travel did exist even in the furthest backwaters.
 

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Ah. Well I'm 99% certain that it never was like the Roman road you posted a picture of.
Though it was more than that way you posted, so some kind of in between. Plus as mentioned it was hundreds of metres wide at places. But primarily made from stamped dirt, I think. Though no expert on it.
Still it was a major, permanent road/way/whatever. And either way my point just was that permanent paths of travel did exist even in the furthest backwaters.
I would call it a path.