Originally posted by Sytass
I have no idea who you're talking about.
I think a CSA going down in flames AAR would have been awesome.
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I think a CSA going down in flames AAR would have been awesome.
To answer the original question it depends on what kind of game you want. My favourite ACW game is the old hex/turn-based strategy game Civil War Generals II. It was very good at simulating the actual battles and the development of your forces between battles. However, it was totally different than Victoria in its game type and scope/strategic level. It did not simulate anything else than the ACW, and so there was a limit to what you could expect.
In short: Victoria is a great game, but don't expect it do be the best game to simulate the ACW into every little detail. I bet it'll be more realistic than the a lot of "historical" wars in EU2 though.
In short: Victoria is a great game, but don't expect it do be the best game to simulate the ACW into every little detail. I bet it'll be more realistic than the a lot of "historical" wars in EU2 though
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Wow! Someone else actually remembers that game! It was one of the first two computer games I got, along with Colonization. It was, and I feel still is the best Civil War game. For its time it had remarkable complexity and scope to it. I am definately looking forward to Victoria though, the 18th of November can't come soon enough... The North shall triumph over the hedonistic and sin riddled South!
Originally posted by Benedict Arnold
Wow! Someone else actually remembers that game! It was one of the first two computer games I got, along with Colonization. It was, and I feel still is the best Civil War game. For its time it had remarkable complexity and scope to it. I am definately looking forward to Victoria though, the 18th of November can't come soon enough... The North shall triumph over the hedonistic and sin riddled South!
even if its a nice game, the ai cheated way too much! it always plotted after your entered your orders and knew all your moves
here it is: http://www.the-underdogs.org/game.php?id=769
I still play itOriginally posted by Benedict Arnold
Wow! Someone else actually remembers that game! It was one of the first two computer games I got, along with Colonization. It was, and I feel still is the best Civil War game. For its time it had remarkable complexity and scope to it. I am definately looking forward to Victoria though, the 18th of November can't come soon enough... The North shall triumph over the hedonistic and sin riddled South!
o , and still havent won a single time o Myself I hope to get Vicky tomorrow or this Viking shall enter Berzerker rage.... or at least drown his sorrows in beer
Yep, you set up the master plan and your generals balk at your orders, ruining everything. My fave is that you had to reassign your generals after each turn, so that they don't become offended and you lose support of their home region. :wacko:
Anyhow, great game for the time period.
Anyhow, great game for the time period.
I hope something like that is in Victoria, actually. The ACW lasted four years because, and only because, the Union spent three of those years sorting through various incompetent commanders. If there's nothing to force the Union to use McClellan, Pope, Rosecrans, Burnside, et al., multiplayer games are going to be absolute cakewalks for the Yankees.
Originally posted by Maximilian I
even if its a nice game, the ai cheated way too much! it always plotted after your entered your orders and knew all your moves
here it is: http://www.the-underdogs.org/game.php?id=769
hey max, tried that one a few months ago. Is there a manual somewhere? The links I followed didn't yield the needed info,
most things I can figure out, but the one thing that bugs me are the policys you have to set up for the states. I'm loosing all the border states to the darn yanks,
any help would be much appreciated,
Hehe, Guinnessmonkey and I spent an interesting few hours discussing just how much of Lee's storied brilliance as a general came from his own innate ability and how much of it actually came from the fact that the generals he fought against were total fools who would likely lose wargames with the Little Sisters of the Poor as their opponents...
Well, a little resumé from my civil war experience =
Sumter to Appotomax = very nice game. The best thing about the game is the realistic command structure. You have to "manage" your generals and give them orders. Depending on the situation they follow them exactly, deviate or can "seize" opportunities. Really nice!
Civil war generals 2 = really nice elaboration of ALL the battles, also some what if scenarios. I remember my alternative Gettysburg scenario where A.P. HILL and Stuart arrive first in Gettysburg. Really exiting, then during the nigth I move my cavalry to ambush the arriving Union artillery divisions. I really sacrificed a lot of good men, but it kept the balance for artillery in my advantage and in the end I butchered the Pottomac army,
Sid Meiers Gettysburg = what can I say? Nothing, it's absolutely a dream. That realistic and still easy to handle. I play this game often - "Skirmishers, on the double - - - brigade, double line!". It's the best imho, the difference between the Union army and Confederate is exellently modeled.
I think Victoria will have its own pro's and con's. I'm a bit sceptic about Victoria's battles. Why? I'm absolutely a fan of the Adanac game where you can give ordes and simply have to wait how they manage ...
So that's only a minor remark I had, because for the rest it's perfect and perfectness is never an option!
Sumter to Appotomax = very nice game. The best thing about the game is the realistic command structure. You have to "manage" your generals and give them orders. Depending on the situation they follow them exactly, deviate or can "seize" opportunities. Really nice!
Civil war generals 2 = really nice elaboration of ALL the battles, also some what if scenarios. I remember my alternative Gettysburg scenario where A.P. HILL and Stuart arrive first in Gettysburg. Really exiting, then during the nigth I move my cavalry to ambush the arriving Union artillery divisions. I really sacrificed a lot of good men, but it kept the balance for artillery in my advantage and in the end I butchered the Pottomac army,
Sid Meiers Gettysburg = what can I say? Nothing, it's absolutely a dream. That realistic and still easy to handle. I play this game often - "Skirmishers, on the double - - - brigade, double line!". It's the best imho, the difference between the Union army and Confederate is exellently modeled.
I think Victoria will have its own pro's and con's. I'm a bit sceptic about Victoria's battles. Why? I'm absolutely a fan of the Adanac game where you can give ordes and simply have to wait how they manage ...
So that's only a minor remark I had, because for the rest it's perfect and perfectness is never an option!
Originally posted by Spruce
hey max, tried that one a few months ago. Is there a manual somewhere? The links I followed didn't yield the needed info,
most things I can figure out, but the one thing that bugs me are the policys you have to set up for the states. I'm loosing all the border states to the darn yanks,
any help would be much appreciated,
Lovely game, definitely my favorite that I've tried.
Are you talking about getting border states to secede in the first place, or keeping them from revolting? If you pick "Precipitate Uprising" for all the border regions on the first turn, you'll get North Carolina, Virginia, Tennessee, and Arkansas pretty automatically. Maryland and Missouri never secede, that I've seen at least. The AI (no matter which side it is) invades Kentucky in the Fall 1861 turn, giving it to you.
After you've got the border, winning battles will keep it content regardless of your policies. In general, go with "Civil Rights" for your occupied regions - this causes their support for you to increase, while "Martial Law" causes it to decrease. But the results of the war as a whole really matter much more than that stuff.
Good luck... it's a very tough game. "Historical" is almost impossible for me to win on, and there are two higher difficulty levels.
Originally posted by Carligula
Lovely game, definitely my favorite that I've tried.
Are you talking about getting border states to secede in the first place, or keeping them from revolting? If you pick "Precipitate Uprising" for all the border regions on the first turn, you'll get North Carolina, Virginia, Tennessee, and Arkansas pretty automatically. Maryland and Missouri never secede, that I've seen at least. The AI (no matter which side it is) invades Kentucky in the Fall 1861 turn, giving it to you.
After you've got the border, winning battles will keep it content regardless of your policies. In general, go with "Civil Rights" for your occupied regions - this causes their support for you to increase, while "Martial Law" causes it to decrease. But the results of the war as a whole really matter much more than that stuff.
Good luck... it's a very tough game. "Historical" is almost impossible for me to win on, and there are two higher difficulty levels.
I figured out that precipitating uprising was good as the CSA to get the border states. But like you said I never got Maryland, nor Missouri nor Kentucky. Indeed, Kentucky is invaded later on.
But what about martial law, what's positive?
And how to handle all those nagging generals??? I want to be in command, no I, now I want to be general, no pick me... really a pain in the ... if I give command to Lee, Beauregard starts to complain and then Johnston...
the generals have me puzzled...
Now we all know the best but the absolute worst IMO is that one endorsed by the History Channel. Why the Hst Chnl would allow their name to go that shoddy piece of work is beyond me... Another cruddy game is Gods and GeneralsI can't believe I preorders that.
The Talonsoft "Battleground" series was better... older, less pretty graphics, but _much_ better games, IMHO. (I still play Battleground 2: Gettysburg occasionally).
In my current game as Sweden I saw the message "United States annexed the CSA" in 1909.
I was concetrating on Europe so I can't really tell what happend in America all those years.
I was concetrating on Europe so I can't really tell what happend in America all those years.
I wonder what the political parties for the CSA are? Probably the conservative Whigs, with all their Jr's and IIIs and IVs and even V's, and the Radical Liberals with their Yankee-wannabes.
Since this game goes to 1920, a Freedom Party is not impossible, unless the CSA isn't on the losing bloc in WWI.
Since this game goes to 1920, a Freedom Party is not impossible, unless the CSA isn't on the losing bloc in WWI.
"Since this game goes to 1920, a Freedom Party is not impossible..."
Boy I sure hope that doesn't come about. Have you read the latest book? The Freedom Party has started concentration camps and the extermination of Blacks still left in the Confederacy.
Boy I sure hope that doesn't come about. Have you read the latest book? The Freedom Party has started concentration camps and the extermination of Blacks still left in the Confederacy.
Why thank you for that spoiler, really nice of you to tell me about the book I am about to read