Great Projects: Wonders

[Promanco]

With the revamping of Buildings a lot of people complained that "Unique Buildings" were taken out of the game, from a developers perspective this made sense as most of them gave country wide bonuses instead of local bonuses, therefore if they were to be allowed to stay people would build them in the poorest provinces they could.
At the same time we have this system of "Great Projects" that people was hoping would be used for all sorts of cool things, but instead is used exclusively for canals that most people don't even build...
So I came up with the idea of bringing back "Unique" Buildings in the form of Great Projects: Wonders!
Now hear me out, under my proposal a new button would appear on each province "Build a Wonder" clicking it would open a pop up with a list of Wonders you can build on that particular province (each wonder will have their own provincial requirements)
Once you decide to start building a Wonder your country will be flag as building a Great Project and for two to ten years(whatever devs deem balanced) you will get events for costs of building the Wonder in a very similar fashion to Canals.
Once the Great Project is completed a building of the Wonder will appear on that particular province, each country can only have ONE Wonder if the country is to acquire a second one, the second one is destroyed this way there is some more customization on your nation, the province that holds a Wonder has a flat irreducible +20% Warscore Cost to prevent people from targeting it just to destroy or steal a Wonder.
Now for a Wonder to be build on a province you will have certain requirements on the province, for example Versailles could only be build on a Capital Province, a Legendary Shipyard could only be build on a Coastal Province and so on, there should also be a Minimum Development level on the Province on which the Wonder is being built and obviously not on Overseas Provinces.
A Wonder must also provide both a country wide effect and a local effect(to prevent people from building it on the shittiest province possible) some examples of how this could look are:
Versailles(Or Grand Palace):+1 Prestige, +1 Legitimacy, +50% Local Tax, Only Capital Province.
Legendary Shipyard: -20% Ship Cost, +5 Hull Size, -50% Local Shipbuilding time. Only Coastal Province.
Hagia Sophia(Grand Cathedral): +1 Tolerance of True Faith, +1 Missionary, -3 Local Revolt Risk. Only True Faith Province.
Red Fort(Epic Fort): +20% Defensiveness, +1 Attrition, Fort Level 11, Only Capital maybe?

What do you guys think? Any other ideas?

Lastly Please make it so the Religious Reform Tab doesnt disappear when you are a Non-Primitive with an Unreformed religion D;

 

[FLESH HUNTER]

Maybe a 5 year base that changes base off of events...Also I would say if a country is large enough maybe...Allow two(Do it as a development requirement(As in maybe 2k or some insane amount))

 

[Willem IV]

The Hagia Sophia was already 900 years old, when the game starts. There is decision for Qing to repair the Great Wall.
I would love to see this as a Great Project, with a vissible wall on the map.

 

[Promanco]

Hagia Sophia is just an example some countries like BYZ and MAM should start with a wonder.(Great Cathedral(Hagia Sophia), Monument(Pyramids))
I didn't thought about it but yeah the Great Wall decision would fit perfectly on this!

 

[ThePatriotOfDreumel]

Looks like we have been playing civ.

Here are my 2 cents on the wonders: Losing wonders just doesn't make sense because you pay the extra warscore cost, I would rather suggest one wonder every sub-region. First of all, most wonders are concentrated in one area, no, not Thebes, but Europe. Secondly, you would need way more wonders to actually make this worthwhile.

 

[Promanco]

Those were just examples, it is up to the devs to works out the more nitty gritty details and to works out every single wonder and it's bonuses lol
Actually I have only played Civ (2) once I played it for 2 hours and never again, I got the idea from Rise of Nations haha

 

[firecage]

Wonders actually made me think of AoE's.

Anyway, honestly the only thing I disagree with, is one per nation.

 

[Promanco]

I just feel that if they are strong and expensive, big powerful nations will build 5 or 6 and will make the snowball effect even stronger, if you are only allowed to have one smaller countries will be able to have them as well and will add another layer of specialization to your country.
If someone can come up with a way to allow multiple powerful buildings to a nation without making the snowballing even harder that would be cool.

 

[Krajzen]

Obvious reason this will rather not happen: only parts of Europe and Asia have an architecture of 1444-1821 that would qualify here, so it would be obviously unbalanced.

I mean, you immediately think about Versailles. Cool. Now what wonders are North American Indians, Mapuche, Subsaharan Africa, Steppe Hordes going to build? Or what are going Mesoamericans, Balkan peoples, Finland, historically nonexistant tags, Ardalan and Armenia going to build?

What nations actually have built widely recognized architectural wonders in 1444-1821 period? France, England, Spain, Portugal, Netherlands, Austria, few Italian and HRE states, Poland, Russia, Ottomans, Persia, Mughals, Ming, Qing, Japan, Taungu, Ayutthaia, Aztecs, Ethiopia, Morocco - fine, but all that is no more than 30 tags from hundreds in-game tags.

 

[Itchel]

I like the ideas but I dont want anything simular to civ5 where we have france building the haghia sophia or any nonsense like that ;p

 

[Promanco]

I think you guys got me wrong, all Wonders would be "generic", the names I attach to the Generic names(that I also provided) are to show historical examples of such constructions.
Everyone can build the Grand Palace, Versailles is the HISTORICAL example of the Grand Palace, everyone can build the Epic Fort, the Red Fort(an Indian Structure built by the Mughals if I'm not mistaken) is just the historical example and so on.
BYZ should start with a Grand Cathedral because historically they already had the Hagia Sophia built, MAM should start with a Monument because historically they already had the Pyramids and so on.

 

[elscorpiose]

Obvious reason this will rather not happen: only parts of Europe and Asia have an architecture of 1444-1821 that would qualify here, so it would be obviously unbalanced.

I mean, you immediately think about Versailles. Cool. Now what wonders are North American Indians, Mapuche, Subsaharan Africa, Steppe Hordes going to build? Or what are going Mesoamericans, Balkan peoples, Finland, historically nonexistant tags, Ardalan and Armenia going to build?

What nations actually have built widely recognized architectural wonders in 1444-1821 period? France, England, Spain, Portugal, Netherlands, Austria, few Italian and HRE states, Poland, Russia, Ottomans, Persia, Mughals, Ming, Qing, Japan, Taungu, Ayutthaia, Aztecs, Ethiopia, Morocco - fine, but all that is no more than 30 tags from hundreds in-game tags.

Good point. But how about different "Wonders" for different base tech groups? Base tech groups - so that westernized Cherokee still could create something.
Other possibility - different wonders for different culture groups. France and Burgundy will compete in this sense, but germanic Prussia and turkish Osmani will not.

Large initial investments for later game bonuses - i think this is valid idea.

 

[PiriReis]

Obvious reason this will rather not happen: only parts of Europe and Asia have an architecture of 1444-1821 that would qualify here, so it would be obviously unbalanced.

I mean, you immediately think about Versailles. Cool. Now what wonders are North American Indians, Mapuche, Subsaharan Africa, Steppe Hordes going to build? Or what are going Mesoamericans, Balkan peoples, Finland, historically nonexistant tags, Ardalan and Armenia going to build?

What nations actually have built widely recognized architectural wonders in 1444-1821 period? France, England, Spain, Portugal, Netherlands, Austria, few Italian and HRE states, Poland, Russia, Ottomans, Persia, Mughals, Ming, Qing, Japan, Taungu, Ayutthaia, Aztecs, Ethiopia, Morocco - fine, but all that is no more than 30 tags from hundreds in-game tags.

For the others you could add a generic world wonder based on region, for example a great temple for the Asian countries or a great mosque for the Muslim nations.