Great Poland (bolted)

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my game with Poland was very funny
Playing with Bolted 1.02b, in 1936, 1937 and 1938 I fortified the western front and built some new divisions, armoured also, and I cnquered all the baltics nation (lithuania, latvia and estonia)
Germany took Austria and when in 1939 installed Tiso (my love) UK and France declared war on Germany. I was afraid of Germany; Allied asked me to join their alliance but I told no.
I joined Axis and I become a Germany ally. After France was conquered, me and Germany dow Russia and we conquered it in about one year!
Very funny, isn't it?

 

[Kashluk]

Yup, this is the main aspect of HoI: what-if...

 

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How did you even manage that as Poland's war entry level does not rises til later and you suffer great dissent when you DOW. ( I am assuming that you used the cheats command ) When I have playtested Poland, it can survive if it gives up Danzig and refuse overtures from the Allies - plus also by building troops. But dissent levels are too high when it DOWs.

 

[IEX Totalview]

Originally posted by aesop
How did you even manage that as Poland's war entry level does not rises til later and you suffer great dissent when you DOW. ( I am assuming that you used the cheats command ) When I have playtested Poland, it can survive if it gives up Danzig and refuse overtures from the Allies - plus also by building troops. But dissent levels are too high when it DOWs.

Vote right in the first election.

Automagically you become Paternal Autocratic.

Death to the Baltics!

 

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Death to the Baltics!

No, Death to the enemies of Baltic people!

 

[unmerged(11731)]

I am sorry that the baltics have beomve the favorite whipping boy for everyone. Can't we all just get along?

 

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Well...this "whipping boy" strikes back - Bow, before the New Order! http://www.gameland.ee/~sirexec/Estonia/Suur-Eesti.jpg

 

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Tell me SirExec, did you modify the game in anyway before starting to play? Just curious.

 

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Well, i had to modify(there was no other way) the manpower pool, wich i raised from 30 to 300(wich is near the absolute maximum(but not impossible to archive in real life) - Population 1.12 mln. Other thing i left like tehy where steel=200, oil=200, rubber=200(start was pretty hard, but i managed to conquer Latvia by 6-th of January and Lithuania by 13-th March). Next Sweden, Denmark, Norway(The war began between axis and allies), Conquered Liberia(and all my problems with rubber were solved) and so on...Palying difficulty: Hard/Furious.

 

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yes I voted right in the elections and when I got allied of germany, they did not ask me Danzig

 

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Originally posted by Monsignor TISO

Very funny, isn't it?

In historical terms, had Poland been an ally of Germany (which was, given the government policy of Germany, impossible) this would have meant an additional 1 million troops available for the invasion of the Soviet Union, and probably an additional 250 thousand German troops. So, not it isn't surprising or funny that you conquered the Soviet Union in 1 year. Its strikes me as a very hypothetical scenario with a result well within historical parameters.

 

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Poland in 1.02

Well I am into a game with Poland on very hard v 1.02. I started the 1936 scenario as a challenge to see how long Poland could survive.. I fortified my border with Germany and researched inf + tanks.. I took over one of the baltics state but that's a 20% dissent hit.....

Germany procedeed along the historical path.... but the Czech choose to fight and were subdued.. that led to war with the allies (of whom I was not part).... Next Germany deamnded Dantzig in August 39, I refused....

They attacked.... By then I had a line of level 2 forts + 2 AA all across the border and I was receiving my first tanks... I quickly overan east Prussia then used those forces as mobile reserves to reinforce any point the germans were attacking... On the west front they took over holland, belgium and got to Sedan... but in Poland they got nowhere... As I got more tanks I started slowly moving against them.. First trapping their forces in Slovakia and destroying them, them pushing them back and encircling one territory at a time... Bottom line, to my surprise in June 1941 I conquered Germany ( with about 4 provinces taken by the allies)..

I then Joined the allies and annexed hungary, swiss, yugo, rumania, bulgaria, turkey, greece, albania, persia, irak, oman, saudi, yemen, denmark, Afghan.. Then I declared war on Italy and took all the Italian mainland... and let them play with the brits and french in north Africa... I fortified my border with USSR, researched advanced medium tanks and in 1945 declared war on the USSR.....Without help from the allies (except for strat bombing which proved a nuisance since it destroyed infrastructure in places I wanted to go) I annexed the USSR in about 6 months and went on to occupy Japan and China + Siam (Japan had declared war on us in 1942) by end 1946....

This is achieved with an army of some under 60 divs and an airforce of 15 tac bombers (can't do more with the limited Polish manpower)....

 

[The Boss]

Re: Poland in 1.02

Originally posted by Tomar
Well I am into a game with Poland on very hard v 1.02. I started the 1936 scenario as a challenge to see how long Poland could survive.. I fortified my border with Germany and researched inf + tanks.. I took over one of the baltics state but that's a 20% dissent hit.....

Germany procedeed along the historical path.... but the Czech choose to fight and were subdued.. that led to war with the allies (of whom I was not part).... Next Germany deamnded Dantzig in August 39, I refused....

They attacked.... By then I had a line of level 2 forts + 2 AA all across the border and I was receiving my first tanks... I quickly overan east Prussia then used those forces as mobile reserves to reinforce any point the germans were attacking... On the west front they took over holland, belgium and got to Sedan... but in Poland they got nowhere... As I got more tanks I started slowly moving against them.. First trapping their forces in Slovakia and destroying them, them pushing them back and encircling one territory at a time... Bottom line, to my surprise in June 1941 I conquered Germany ( with about 4 provinces taken by the allies)..

I then Joined the allies and annexed hungary, swiss, yugo, rumania, bulgaria, turkey, greece, albania, persia, irak, oman, saudi, yemen, denmark, Afghan.. Then I declared war on Italy and took all the Italian mainland... and let them play with the brits and french in north Africa... I fortified my border with USSR, researched advanced medium tanks and in 1945 declared war on the USSR.....Without help from the allies (except for strat bombing which proved a nuisance since it destroyed infrastructure in places I wanted to go) I annexed the USSR in about 6 months and went on to occupy Japan and China + Siam (Japan had declared war on us in 1942) by end 1946....

This is achieved with an army of some under 60 divs and an airforce of 15 tac bombers (can't do more with the limited Polish manpower)....

Let me the the first on to say I am stunned!

 

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u did better than me)

 

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Re: Poland in 1.02

Originally posted by Tomar
Well I am into a game with Poland on very hard v 1.02. I started the 1936 scenario as a challenge to see how long Poland could survive.. I fortified my border with Germany and researched inf + tanks.. I took over one of the baltics state but that's a 20% dissent hit.....

Germany procedeed along the historical path.... but the Czech choose to fight and were subdued.. that led to war with the allies (of whom I was not part).... Next Germany deamnded Dantzig in August 39, I refused....

They attacked.... By then I had a line of level 2 forts + 2 AA all across the border and I was receiving my first tanks... I quickly overan east Prussia then used those forces as mobile reserves to reinforce any point the germans were attacking... On the west front they took over holland, belgium and got to Sedan... but in Poland they got nowhere... As I got more tanks I started slowly moving against them.. First trapping their forces in Slovakia and destroying them, them pushing them back and encircling one territory at a time... Bottom line, to my surprise in June 1941 I conquered Germany ( with about 4 provinces taken by the allies)..

I then Joined the allies and annexed hungary, swiss, yugo, rumania, bulgaria, turkey, greece, albania, persia, irak, oman, saudi, yemen, denmark, Afghan.. Then I declared war on Italy and took all the Italian mainland... and let them play with the brits and french in north Africa... I fortified my border with USSR, researched advanced medium tanks and in 1945 declared war on the USSR.....Without help from the allies (except for strat bombing which proved a nuisance since it destroyed infrastructure in places I wanted to go) I annexed the USSR in about 6 months and went on to occupy Japan and China + Siam (Japan had declared war on us in 1942) by end 1946....

This is achieved with an army of some under 60 divs and an airforce of 15 tac bombers (can't do more with the limited Polish manpower)....

You couldn't possibly have been playing the Bolted Mod

 

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Mmm...i now started playing with Poland, first thing to do - Research technology to produce transport ships. By july i have that tech - now there isn't anything that could stop me, first skandinavia, then Liberia(for one time boost of rubber resources), then Romania(The war begins between allies and axis - year 1937 may) and so on...NB! I never enter any alliances, because that makse, it all too easy.(playng difficulty H/F, and i must say that playing Polnad is extreamly easy. Why ye ask? A fact IC @ beginning !!71!!(More than enough to build troops and research needed tech) and mp 820 + 3.4 per month - all that is needed to conqure the europe and maybe the whole world(Still, proviences with low inf. are biggest enemies when playng minor countries.)

 

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Bolted Mod

I was playing standard HOI, v 1.02..., very hard

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Mmm...i now started playing with Poland, first thing to do - Research technology to produce transport ships. By july i have that tech - now there isn't anything that could stop me, first skandinavia, then Liberia(for one time boost of rubber resources), then Romania(The war begins between allies and axis - year 1937 may) and so on.
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Strange..... How do you deal with the 20% dissent hit each time you declare war ????? (this only seems to disappear once you join the allies)

 

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Re: Bolted Mod

Hi Tomar, I play for the second time Poland 1.02 v. (hard/hard), I changed government for right wing in 1936, than I annexed Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia (total dissent 50% - for Estonia only 10%), and than in the begining of 1938 Germany started war against France, England and co, so I declared war on Germany (no dissent hit!), and I assumed military control over France, England and co. but comparing to normal/normal it is quite difficult.
Well, I think dissent is not the biggest problem, as I nocticed in case of Poland it can not exceed 50%. When you start war against Germany, the next wars you start do not affect with dissent hits.

As we discuss about "Great Poland" I noticed that Poland dose not have any leader with special treat. I think it is historically unreasonable, as we had quite tallented leaders, who succesfully foutht against Soviet Union during 1920 war, e.g. Edward Rydz-Œmig³y, who has taken Kiev in 1920, and was one of the most important leader during whole 1920 war. I think some leaders should have treats "old guard", and some defensive doctrine".
When you compare e.g. Belgian and Netherland leades, and their treats and abilities, you may find that they have been awarded with quite high skills comparing to Polish leaders. I think it is unreasonable, as both countries have been defeated by Germans within few days.
BTW how you can evaluate skills of Swedish leaders, as they did not have any combat experience during second world war?

 

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Re: Re: Bolted Mod

Originally posted by Sigi
I changed government for right wing in 1936, than I annexed Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia (total dissent 50% - for Estonia only 10%...

Why do you annex baltic sates - it is not worth annexing them(because of dissent), annex sweden, denmark, norway and finland instead...Then bigger and stronger countries... (Annexing Estonia ise totaly useless, because it has very poor industry(I don't know why?!?!) and hardly makes up the 20% dissent!)

 

[IEX Totalview]

I am truly failing to understand how its worth 50% dissent for 3 declarations of war for Poland. Doesn't that kill your production? Can someone clarify?