Great Officer Purge needs a Purge

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Seriously, as the Soviet Union you don't need great leaders, you just need leaders.

Same thing could be said for Germany.
Sleep Guderian, Rommel, Manstein, Kesselring, Skorzeny, and dozens of others and you could still achieve a World Conquest.
But no Zhukov or no Patton (e.g.) and WW2 starts looking less like WW2.

 

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Tskb18: Simple fix: remove the sleepleader -1 lines, which make up the majority of the event.

blue emu: Another possibility would be to replace the event with an event-chain which first 'sleeps' certain leaders (like Zhukov), then does the random purge, then 'wakes' those chosen leaders again... that should prevent you from losing any of your key Leaders.

The "Great Purge" of the Red Army 1937-39 removed 3 of 5 marshals, 13 of 15 army generals, 8 of 9 admirals, 50 of 57 army corps generals, 154 out of 186 division generals, 16 of 16 army commissars, and 25 of 28 army corps commissars. This was part of a much wider purge, where anyone in a position of power who was not a crony of Stalin was liable to be arrested, tortured and shot.

Having served in the Tsarist army in First World War, then joining the Bolsheviks shortly after the October Revolution, as well as serving as a commander in the Red Army under Trotsky during the Civil War, Zhukov must have been lucky not to have been woken up one morning by the NKVD. Nearly everyone else from the early days of the Revolution, and especially anyone who had any sort of links with Trotsky, did not survive. Perhaps his biggest stroke of luck was that he got sent to Mongolia in 1938 (perhaps as a punishment, or to get him out the way?). A border skirmish with a Japanese army based in Manchukuo escalated to an invasion of Mongolia. His success in the Battle of Khalkhin Gol, and award of the title Hero of the Soviet Union, perhaps saved him from the purges. If he hadn't been sent to Mongolia, or the Japanese had not invaded, would he have lived? I don't think so.

It's right that the Great Purge event should have a good chance that Zhukov should be removed along with nearly every other half-competent leader.

Sauragnmon: Got a small bit of a problem here.


Just playing along with the Soviets, I was heavy on my production, and I hit the Great Officer Purge event. Now normally, I'm one to tell the purge to bugger off (I like my generals thankyou very much), but this time I didn't have my usual free bucketloads of IC to soak the dissent quickly. I couldn't read all the officers that would die, and I didn't want to be further penalized by the two notches to Dove Lobby. I hit yes.

Now, my problem is regarding specifically one general who should not be purged.

In the aftermath, I noticed one of my generals was missing, General Gregor Zhukov. Not only my most apt tank division commander, but an up and coming later Marshall of the Soviet Forces in the 50's (real history). So, was I into the cheap drugs, or does the Purge kill off a few of the officers who shouldn't die? I'd just love to see a fix for that one, specifically Zhukov (I love him as a tank leader) and perhaps any other officers who unwittingly catch a bullet. Please, do some research and review who should be taking a bullet in the name of Josef the Paranoid.

Anyone who doesn't know that Zhukov was neither "up and coming", nor a divisional commander during the war, deserves to lose all of their best generals. Forget Moscow, Stalingrad, Leningrad, Bagration, if you must, but fer chrissakes the guy led the assault on Berlin in 1945 capturing the city on 2 May, leading to the final collapse of the Third Reich. He opened the ceremony in Berlin when the German High Command signed the final Act of Unconditional Surrender on 8 May. Many would say he was the most successful general of any country in WWII.

 

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ok, I stand corrected, I've heard the arguments, I bow.

Still, with regards to the Cold War going Hot.

I'd invaded Persia, I hadn't gotten the Unholy Alliance yet (was MP, knew it was going to go through, my buddy was Germany). It was just the start of a cascade of desperate events that led to nothing short of a victory miracle on my end. The poles declared war, invaded my Western border (which had no troops, they were all in Persia or on the border with Finland. I turned Down the Winter War, because of the situation, diverted troops to the moving Polish Border. At the same time, I had Allied troops in both Iraq and India pushing in on my borders. I had troops on the Pacific coast keeping American troops from appearing, Germany and I pushing hard to get the Poles out of the fight. All totalled, I had to liberate Sevastopol, Odessa and Kharkov through the course of that front. Then the fight went down to two fronts. I started making my push into Iraq when fortune truely smiled and Iraq decided to revolt against Britain and leave the allies. Followed even more so by Vichy France, which brought about Syria and Lebanon appearing and easing the tension off that front all together. Then it was a matter of going for the Soviet Human Wave strategy and steamrolling the Indian front, leaving troops on the coast as I went, and shoving the Allies out of Burma. Syria joined the Axis, and where we're at right now, we're both bailing out the Italians in Africa and removing the African front of the war as I prepare dozens of mountain troops for the upcoming (*groan*) offensive in China/Japan. I bundle the two together because in '41, the situation got bad when Japan actually succeeded in forcing NatChina into a puppet state, followed by their finishing the unification of China, Vietnam, Manchukuo, Mengkuo and Siam. All I can say is that really, I'm dreadding the war.

 

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Yes, i've seen that list before. Not all purges were "final".
Following your logic there should be a random reawakening of leaders returning to service à la Rokossovskiy.
A point made in this thread by that dastardly emu chap.

Besides, not all the historic leaders are represented - i suspect a large number of those purged are unrepresented.
In effect - they are already "purged". And permanently at that.
No matter whether you choose Action_A or Action_B.
Sleeping leaders who are represented and did serve in the war just adds to the distortion.

As i've said before and elsewhere: the best event would have the exact historic leaders permanently purged in-game slept.
With of course re-awakening where appropriate.

 

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Also, another dilemma...

Should we decide to move the factories to the east, or let them stay? It seemed that we will lose a lot of IC by moving them, so I decided to not move the industry.

 

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Also, another dilemma...

Should we decide to move the factories to the east, or let them stay? It seemed that we will lose a lot of IC by moving them, so I decided to not move the industry.

You GAIN about six Factories by moving them.

There is an error in the scripting... it removes MORE Factories from certain provinces than actually exist there... and then adds the same number to Siberia.

In effect, they load about 40 Factories onto the trains, run the trains out to Siberia, and unload 46 Factories!