http://www.ac.wwu.edu/~stephan/Renault/renault.html
if anyones looking for a good historical read.
hannibal
if anyones looking for a good historical read.
hannibal
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no idear
What were his relations with the Senate?
Reprehendenti filio Tito, quod etiam urinae vectigal commentus esset, pecuniam ex prima pensione admovit ad nares, sciscitans num odore offenderetur; et illo negante
What were his relations with the Senate?
Reprehendenti filio Tito, quod etiam urinae vectigal commentus esset, pecuniam ex prima pensione admovit ad nares, sciscitans num odore offenderetur; et illo negante
I pick Alexander the Great for the great leader of antiquity.
Phillip I of Macedon, Cyrus of Persia , Caesar, Hadrian, Hannibal are the other excellent contenders.
I must have forgotten some...
Phillip I of Macedon, Cyrus of Persia , Caesar, Hadrian, Hannibal are the other excellent contenders.
I must have forgotten some...
Re: no idear
"His son Titus reproached him about his scheme to tax urine, so he held coins to his son's nose and asked him whether the smell offended him. When Titus said no, he replied, And yet they some from urine." (Suetonius) By the way, what is pecuniam ex prima pension?
"His son Titus reproached him about his scheme to tax urine, so he held coins to his son's nose and asked him whether the smell offended him. When Titus said no, he replied, And yet they some from urine." (Suetonius) By the way, what is pecuniam ex prima pension?
great captains of antiquity
My choices would be:
1. Alexander the Great (a no brainer!)
2. Thutmose III and Ramesse II of Egypt
3. Sargon of Akkad
4. Julius Caesar
5. Hannibal
6. Cyrus and Cynebese of Persia
7. David, Ahab, Jeroboam II, Uzziah - Heberw Kings of the minipowerhoues of Israel and Judah
8. Atilla the Hun
9. the Yamato kings and generals of Japan
10. the Kings of Assyria
Not all in that order. Input requested.
My choices would be:
1. Alexander the Great (a no brainer!)
2. Thutmose III and Ramesse II of Egypt
3. Sargon of Akkad
4. Julius Caesar
5. Hannibal
6. Cyrus and Cynebese of Persia
7. David, Ahab, Jeroboam II, Uzziah - Heberw Kings of the minipowerhoues of Israel and Judah
8. Atilla the Hun
9. the Yamato kings and generals of Japan
10. the Kings of Assyria
Not all in that order. Input requested.
just that under 10. assyrians kings be sure to include:
1- Tukulti-Ninurta I
2- Tukulti-api-essara I
1- Tukulti-Ninurta I
2- Tukulti-api-essara I
Re: Re: great leaders of antiquity
I agree about Hammurabi. Naram-sin (grandson of Sargon of agade)
(the name means "beloved of Sin")_
conquered the Lullubi(famous stele showing him as devoted to Sin, the moon god). After his death the Gutians overthrew the kingdom. What is your source that he went to an oasis to live?
I agree about Hammurabi. Naram-sin (grandson of Sargon of agade)
(the name means "beloved of Sin")_
conquered the Lullubi(famous stele showing him as devoted to Sin, the moon god). After his death the Gutians overthrew the kingdom. What is your source that he went to an oasis to live?
Ave,
Actually Stilicho did not defeat the Huns...that was Aetius. Stilicho defeated the Goths, but could not route them. After he died in 408 ce the Goths came back in force and saked Rome @ 410 ce.
Vale,
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
www.novaroma.org
I can forgive sulla everything except marching on rome, the proscriptions and slaughtering the Sabines.
the 3 novels about Sulla and Marius by Colleen McCullough are very good.
the 3 novels about Sulla and Marius by Colleen McCullough are very good.
Avete Omnes,
Well thats better than most people who know alot about Roman History. He is usually villified by historians as ONLY evil. I cannot buy that at all. He was a product of his times. The Gracchi brought class warfare into Rome. C. Marius played off of it well. Sulla was the reactionary response to that. Regardless of the flaws he had. He was an undefeated general, his legions never mutinied. Heck I think he was a better overall general than Scipio Africanus and Caesar. Just because of his politics he tends to get ignored.
Vale,
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
www.novaroma.org
he slaughtered the samnites in the forum - to the horror of the Senate.
Marius and Sulpicius should have known better then try to remove him from command of an essentially mercenary army. By the way, Lucullus, Laelius, Cato(me), Africanus, and Sulla are on this forum. Its great to be surrounded by such republican figures. All we need now is Marius!
Interesting yes, but the author is a tad credulous over many aspects of ancient history.................and even to a Caesar fan like me the portrayal of "Caesar the superman" in the later books becomes a tad wearing.
Sulla certainly isn't portrayed very fairly in her books.....................
The Babylonian weirdo who went to the desert of Arabia to worship the moon is IIRC the neo-babylonian King Nabonidus (?). This area of the world is confusing to this day...
There´s a precious scene in one of the Asterix comic books where Asterix and Obelix is crossing the Syrian desert to be waylaid in turn by the Akkadians hunting for Sumerians, Guti for the Akkadians, Neo-sumerians for the Guti, Old Assyraians for the Neo-Sumerians etc, etc
Candidates for greatest leaders in Antiquity:
1. Siddharta Gautama
2. Yeoshua of Nazareth
3. Ezra of Judea
4. Aristotle
5. Plato
For their impact on the future of the world rather than conquests.
/Vandelay
There´s a precious scene in one of the Asterix comic books where Asterix and Obelix is crossing the Syrian desert to be waylaid in turn by the Akkadians hunting for Sumerians, Guti for the Akkadians, Neo-sumerians for the Guti, Old Assyraians for the Neo-Sumerians etc, etc
Candidates for greatest leaders in Antiquity:
1. Siddharta Gautama
2. Yeoshua of Nazareth
3. Ezra of Judea
4. Aristotle
5. Plato
For their impact on the future of the world rather than conquests.
/Vandelay
Yep, and he DID stop the destabilization of the Western Empire during his time. And was executed for it, because it was feared that he was becoming too powerful. Really, the murder of Stilicho by Honorius marked the end of the Western Empire in any meaningful sense. It was wide open to invasion, and every part of it was defenseless. It was not long after his death in 408 that Alaric the Visigoth sacked Rome (410). Stilicho had managed to keep Alaric in his place.
Bellisarius was also "fired" by Justinian after his initial Italian campaign, because of political infighting (the "blues and the greens" court faction controversy). When control of Rome and most of Italy was lost to Ostrogothic reconquest, he was hastily recalled and won the day.
Honestly, I don't see that the reconquests of Justinian were so fatal to the Empire. Most of them (Africa, Spain), were actually quite easily accomplished, though the Italian campaigns were time consuming and expensive.
Perhaps the one mistake of Justinian was that he was a staunch Catholic (ALL the reconquests were of heretical Arian controlled territory, that was populated by a Catholic majority, one reason why they were possible), and that he didn't spend enough attention on the heretics of the East, particulary the Monophysitis of Egypt and Syria.
Justinian was so capable in everything else he did, you'd think that had he devoted energy to this problem he might have prevented future disaster.
It was the dislike of the Catholic court that led to the Monophysitis putting up little resistance to the Persian, and then Arab invasions.
In reality, it was the fact that Heraculis had to fight off the Persians, expending SO much energy and resources (what he accomplished was much greater than what Justinian did, militarily), that there was nothing left when the Arabs stormed out and took the same territories a decade later.
The last great Roman-Persian War was also the death blow to the Sassanid Persian Empire, which was completely assimilated, ending forever the ancient Persian civilization (though it had been somewhat Hellinized after Alexander).
At least the Romans were able to stop them in Asia Minor, and at sea, and hold off the Mohammedians from taking it for 400 years.
Well, his campaigns were disastrous for the areas involved. Both Africa and even more particularly Italy suffered horribly from warfare and taxation.
In terms of the Byzantine Empire, although the reconquests themselves weren't fatal to the empire, the energy that was expended in the reconquests could probably have been better spent elsewhere, such as against the Persians or in defending the Empire's Balkan possessions (which I believe were devastated by foreign incursions during Justinian's reign).