Great demo. Too bad culture is a joke

[Jia Xu]

At 25 DIP points (around 3-5 months worth) per province, there's really no reason not to convert every single province you own to your primary culture. Absolutely no reason at all. None. I played Portugal last night, focused on taking down Morocco. Within 20 years half of Morocco was cored, Catholic and Portuguese. With culture being so easy to convert, it doesn't really mean anything anymore.

 

[Mixxer5]

At 25 DIP points (around 3-5 months worth) per province, there's really no reason not to convert every single province you own to your primary culture. Absolutely no reason at all. None. I played Portugal last night, focused on taking down Morocco. Within 20 years half of Morocco was cored, Catholic and Portuguese. With culture being so easy to convert, it doesn't really mean anything anymore.

And when I've mentioned that Eu4 is too easy, everyone said I'm whining

[insults deleted]

 

[unmerged(94472)]

Didn't I read somewhere that PDS deliberately made the demo easier than the full game? Or am I making that up?

 

[Red_warning]

I agree that culture changing seems too easy. It should be really frigging expensive and only desired for high value provinces.

 

[Gemberkoekje]

Didn't I read somewhere that PDS deliberately made the demo easier than the full game? Or am I making that up?

Only thing I've seen in the game itself is that naval attrition was severely reduced in the TUTORIAL. other than that, not that I've read.

 

[RiseOrDie]

Eu4 needs another 2 years full of patches, expansions, and features to be fun. Also needs more cultures and more religions. PI can never make a complete game, it always had to lack even the simplest things

 

[arcain]

If you continue like this, your country would not be in a really good shape 150 or 200 years later. In EUIV everything is about making the right choices; and you seem to be totally free in doing the wrong things. Thats what I Love about the new mechanics. We will see how it turns out in the long run.

 

[Mixxer5]

If you continue like this, your country would not be in a really good shape 150 or 200 years later. In EUIV everything is about making the right choices; and you seem to be totally free in doing the wrong things. Thats what I Love about the new mechanics. We will see how it turns out in the long run.

Please elaborate- why my Catholic, culturally unified country won't be in a good shape?

 

[Zarine]

Let see, you spend 25 dip point per province... congratulation, you just wasted 1 technology toward culture conversion !

 

[Jia Xu]

If you continue like this, your country would not be in a really good shape 150 or 200 years later. In EUIV everything is about making the right choices; and you seem to be totally free in doing the wrong things. Thats what I Love about the new mechanics. We will see how it turns out in the long run.

At this rate, my country would be in great shape. I'd have my country, their country, and your country too. I was able to accomplish this as a 3rd rate military power like Portugal. Imagine if I had been playing Moscow/Russia, a country with uber-army ideas. Again, your 5% extra trade power would not stop you from being annexed. Some of you are going to have some very bad multiplayer experiences.

 

[kingsword]

Culture and religion conversion indeed makes this game feel like a fantasy game. Felt like evicting orcs and migrating in elves in Age of Wonders. Push a couple buttons and it's done in a couple of years. Whole Balkans will be Sunni Muslim in half a century at most.

 

[Peter Ebbesen]

At 25 DIP points (around 3-5 months worth) per province, there's really no reason not to convert every single province you own to your primary culture. Absolutely no reason at all. None. I played Portugal last night, focused on taking down Morocco. Within 20 years half of Morocco was cored, Catholic and Portuguese. With culture being so easy to convert, it doesn't really mean anything anymore.

Now, do the same thing with Castile's territory as Portugal and return to us telling us of your new experiences with culture conversion.

If, as I suspect, you find that Castile's territory is not that cheap to convert and perhaps even so expensive that you might seriously consider not doing so, you will amend your original assertion of "culture is a joke" to the more appropriate whine, "overseas culture conversions are too cheap".

After all, if one has whine or engage in rhetorical excess in the first place, declaring entire game mechanics meaningless, it is important to be precise in one's accusations.

 

[BobbyDylan]

Really? Cos I was looking at Culture flips, and thought it definitely wasn't worth the MP investment.

 

[Jia Xu]

Now, do the same thing with Castile's territory as Portugal and return to us telling us of your new experiences with culture conversion. If, as I suspect, you find that Castile's territory is not that cheap to convert and perhaps even so expensive that you might seriously consider not doing so, you will amend your original assertion of "culture is a joke" to the more appropriate whine, "overseas conversions are too cheap". After all, if one has whine or engage in rhetorical excess in the first place, declaring entire game mechanics meaningless, it is important to be precise in one's accusations.

This isn't even a well thought out example. Portugal can become Spain, which would give Castillian provinces no malice anyway, because of the union bonus. No, no, I'd rather just smash countries in other tech groups that don't seem to be capable of defending themselves against the lone military might of Portugal and blob up until I can start conquering countries like Naples. Please don't "whine" when you get annexed in MP in the first 25 years of the game. Thanks.

 

[Peter Ebbesen]

This isn't even a well thought out example. Portugal can become Spain, which would give Castillian provinces no malice anyway, because of the union bonus. No, no, I'd rather just smash countries in other tech groups that don't seem to be capable of defending themselves against the lone military might of Portugal and blob up until I can start conquering countries like Naples. Please don't "whine" when you get annexed in MP in the first 25 years of the game. Thanks.

Don't worry.

I won't worry or whine when I get annexed in MP in the first 25 years of the game.

 

[ParadogsGamer]

I'd have to side with the faction that thinks flipping culture should be really damn hard.
Even coring and flipping religion is too easy. Flipping culture as well is just too much.
I hope this will be fixed in the actual game.

 

[Mixxer5]

Now, do the same thing with Castile's territory as Portugal and return to us telling us of your new experiences with culture conversion.

If, as I suspect, you find that Castile's territory is not that cheap to convert and perhaps even so expensive that you might seriously consider not doing so, you will amend your original assertion of "culture is a joke" to the more appropriate whine, "overseas culture conversions are too cheap".

After all, if one has whine or engage in rhetorical excess in the first place, declaring entire game mechanics meaningless, it is important to be precise in one's accusations.

But... What's the matter? Maybe conquering Austria as Hungary would be bad idea under these terms, but it should be the same for conquering Morocco as Portugal.

 

[Fjoelsvider]

If I spent 200 points converting 8 provinces in North Africa, then that's worth half of a tech. It's pretty easy to tell you didn't play much of EU3 multiplayer. 8 provinces in exchange for half a tech is not an equal trade. If you think that half of a tech is worth more than 8 provinces, you had best stay in single-player. Players who actually know what they're doing will annex you over and over again in multiplayer and you'll wonder how your 2 level lead in diplomatic tech failed to stop them.

i know this is off topic, but since when do PI titles have multiplayer elitism... that stuff belongs to... you know, proper multiplayer games with big multiplayer communities, and unfriendly people and all that nonsense.

edit: seriously dude... most people play this for single player stop telling everyone how inferior they will be to you in mp... its kinda rude

 

[Millipede69]

Some of you are going to have some very bad multiplayer experiences.

That remains to be seen. Your unified blob might find it self blockaded by plucky Portugal that has its diplomacy tech several levels ahead of yours. That would sting if you were not able to respond on land.

Anyways.. you could be totally right anyways. Should be fun to find out?

 

[Jia Xu]

This could be largely fixed if culture flipping used up a Colonist. That way you'd have to choose between building a colony or culture flipping and countries that don't colonize would have a use for Colonists too. Culture flipping also needs to be drastically longer. 10 years as the base with significant add-ons for non-accepted cultures, please.