Yes! Odious Germans at hand! Hummm... It could be a hard time for Chineses: you're really outnumbered. Good luck!
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It would certainly be a shame if the Eagle beat the Dragon to the Bear's lair (to get all of those goodies! 
). It might be time to trade land for a better position in Ukraine and southern Russia.
). It might be time to trade land for a better position in Ukraine and southern Russia.
I recommend quickly grabbing all the victory points in central and eastern SU and leaving a barely formidable garisson to make sure they don't take any back. Meanwhile the main cores shoud be redeployed to the western front and made ready to take moscow no matter the cost. Then it's down to hoping Leningrad falls quickly and annex. Would make your situation with the german border a bit interesting for a while, but it's better than fighting by attrition, which, you will probably lose.
What are China's aims in this war with the USSR? It seems that the Soviets would have offered to give up the lands to which China has laid claim.
hasskugel said:
I doubt it... plus the Germans would have taken over them. Its better to fight the Germans on Western land than Asian land. Its all sacred Guangxi lands.
last I remember checking, they had 90 effective IC
well, I'm not on bad terms...
Persia's been annexed by the British since around mid-May
wonderful to see you back. and aye, but the Russian bear was sleeping in the East.
not as much as you'd think, actually
have them already
you're forgetting Murmansk (the Soviet province you hate the most, eh?), and Archangelsk.
how do you figure?
pfff, but that's exactly the challenge that kept me going as I crossed Siberia
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Li Jishen shivered. The map of the western front haunted him, he didn’t understand it. The month had been one of mixed success. Chen Jitang’s northern corps had been pushed from Ivanovo to Gorkij but otherwise the Soviets had made no headway against the Chinese. The struggle against the Germans, however, was a maelstrom of ad hoc maneuvers and desperate counterattacks to slow them down. The Germans were simply a forward-moving tide, implacable despite frantic Chinese resistance.
The first major German thrust came at Borisglebsk, which was a Chinese salient sticking into the German front. The salient was occupied by only one corps, so it came as no surprise that the Germans assaulted it with five infantry and one armor division, from three different axes of attack. Rather than see his command utterly routed, Wu Peifu only resisted for as long as he could effectively use all of his divisions, then withdrew toward Uryupinsk.
The successful German attack on Borisglebsk.
In the south, where the Germans enjoyed an overwhelming amount of firepower, they also pushed forward. Xue Yue withdrew from Kashary toward Morozovsk and one of his subordinate corps was forced to retreat across the Don from Konstatinovsk to Salsk, attempting an elastic defense. In both cases, the Chinese were outnumbered at least two to one.
Withdrawals in the south.
North of the Don, the Germans attacked a rather unorganized Chinese corps in the Pavlovsk salient with six divisions—five infantry and one armor—from three different axes. The Chinese were pushed back toward Frolovo.
The defeat of the Chinese Pavlovsk salient.
Following up their success ad Borisglebsk and Pavlovsk, the Germans attacked Wu Peifu’s corps, which was defending Uryupinsk. However, though they attacked in great strength, they failed to breach Wu Peifu’s defenses this time—as the Germans attacked out of Borisglebsk, where the majority of their attack was based from, the Chinese attacked the town with twelve divisions of their own. Not only did the German attack quickly run out of steam, but they were routed from Borisglebsk itself.
Defending Uryupinsk and attacking Borisglebsk.
Also attempting to capitalize on their successes in the south, the Germans attacked Bokovskaya. This time, the rather disorganized Chinese corps was defeated and pushed back toward Surovikino. However, before defeat it was noted that the Germans seemed to be having grave manpower problems—the infantry divisions were all very under-strength. Li Jishen smiled, a hope for the future.
The successful German attack on Bokovskaya.
With Borisglebsk back in Chinese hands, it was time to move on Pavlovsk. The Chinese attacked along three axes with nine divisions, outfighting the mere two divisions the Germans had around the town to hold the line and throwing them southward across the Don.
The successful attack to recover Pavlovsk.
In the south, the Germans seemed to be taking such a long time occupying Konstatinovsk that one Chinese corps marched back into the town. Li Jishen could only imagine what went through the corps commander’s mind as he realized how many Germans were attacking his positions, but he believed that it consisted mostly of an incredibly long string of swears. The corps quickly vacated the town and returned to Salsk.
The “battle” for Konstantinovsk.
Further north, the Chinese continued their attempts to push the Germans back, attacking Bokovskaya with twelve divisions. The German defenders were pushed back after a stiff battle and the Chinese reoccupied the town.
Attacking Borovskaya.
In the center, the Chinese had occupied Voronezh and were attacking Svoboda with fifteen divisions. Svoboda fell fairly quickly, but just slightly to the north, a large German formation attacked Tambov, which was defended by only a single corps, and pushed it back eastwards.
The attack on Svoboda, with the German attack on Tambov visible.
Li Jishen shook his head. In the mind of virtually every Chinese soldier now, the western front wasn’t associated with the Soviets anymore, but the Germans. It had become known as the ‘German Front.’ And, as Li Jishen looked at the map, he couldn’t tell who held the upper hand. There were such possibilities for encirclement of both armies.
The German Front.
This reminds me of the beginning of the war so many long years ago, when Guangxi was fighting for survival and expansion with the Nationalists. To have the decision in doubt certainly adds expectations and excitment. Not that Li Jishen probably wants that excitment, but maybe he was getting bored.
The Germans Vastly, and I repeat that word, vastly outnumber the forces of Quangxi on the German Front.
I suggest you annex the SU as fast as you can, so BP wont trigger, then retreat a lot and let the partisans tie up german forces while you regroup in the urals, which is a good place to defend against panzers. And build a lot of AT attachements, and, if you can, a heck of mountaineers.
Herbert West said:
hasn't baku gotta be in german hands for BP to fire? and Moscow?
No.. just soviet union not controlling moscow/leningrad/baku/stalingrad and sverdlovsk/vladivostok (depending on if japans in the war)Reado said:
And i don't think the bitter peace would affect Myth since he's not in german alliance. But it will succeed all remaining soviet territory east of that line to germany. And then whoever controls moscow should be able to annex? Unless the command to change the soviet capital to sverdlovsk crashes the game lol.
If you don't get surrounded somewhere your manpower will probably like you said become crucial in the road to Berlin.
In my Nat. China game I took about half of the SU, and then the Bitter Peace fires,leaving me with a rump Siberia and no land for me
The_Carbonater said:In my Nat. China game I took about half of the SU, and then the Bitter Peace fires,leaving me with a rump Siberia and no land for me
i think he edited out the BP, but I might be wrong