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Mar 1, 2005
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Graphics: differences between Deluxe and Base

Different shield and/or flag:
DAK Champassak (shield only and only blue color and flag based on Base)
BAN Timbuktu Base same as Deluxe or better idea?
ITA Italy Base same as Deluxe
MIN Mazovia (shield only and flag based on Base)
NAF Gondwana Deluxe same as Base
PAM Parma Base same as Deluxe
POM Pomerania (shield only)
U07 Mossi Base same as Deluxe
U09 Oyo Base same as Deluxe
U18 Yemen (both)
U19 Lanka (shield only and flag based on Deluxe) Base same as Deluxe
U23 Ormuz (both)
U24 Al-Haasa (both only red color for shields but flags...)
U28 Bahrain (both)
U38 Sulu Deluxe same as Base

Missing in Base (use vanilla but different from Deluxe)
CAN Candar Base same as Deluxe
CHI China Base same as Deluxe
EGY Egypt Base same as Deluxe
KAR Karaman Base same as Deluxe
NIP Japan Base same as Deluxe

Missing in Base (extra):
shield_bohHussite Base same as Deluxe
shield_polunion Base same as Deluxe

Missing in Deluxe:
SYR Haihaya Deluxe same as Base
NOG Ferghana Fixed, I found it in "old" AGCEEP_EGUFSM.zip :)

Missing in Deluxe (extra):
flag_chi (should be same as shield) Found it

Really needed in AGCEEP folder?
CAN Candar => Deluxe same as EGUFSM
TYR Tyrol => Deluxe same as EGUFSM
STT Stettin => Deluxe same as EGUFSM but flag in AGCEEP is the modern one, according to Birger

In blue: fixed
In orange: comments
 
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U07, U09, and BAN are different as the original sources could not be found at the time that they were made in the EGUSFM style.

SYR and NOG are accurate for Base.

I forgot about Gondwana, it needs a shield made for it for deluxe due to complications with the original shield that was made.
 
Garbon said:
U07, U09, and BAN are different as the original sources could not be found at the time that they were made in the EGUSFM style.
Should standard be remade to fit later EGUFSM then?

Garbon said:
SYR and NOG are accurate for Base.
I will request them for EGUFSM. Muslim shape?

Garbon said:
I forgot about Gondwana, it needs a shield made for it for deluxe due to complications with the original shield that was made.
I will request EGUFSM in green/ivory (same colors as in Base).
 
YodaMaster said:
Should standard be remade to fit later EGUFSM then?

I'm not really a fan of that (since I disliked the new images that were picked ;) ). I'm not sure if its a big deal if they are different. But then I guess it could be okay if the base were changed to fit.


YodaMaster said:
I will request them for EGUFSM. Muslim shape?)

NOG, yes. SYR should be Hindu.
 
Garbon said:
I'm not really a fan of that (since I disliked the new images that were picked ;) ). I'm not sure if its a big deal if they are different. But then I guess it could be okay if the base were changed to fit.
Just for consistency...

Garbon said:
NOG, yes. SYR should be Hindu.
Right
 
Garbon said:
Consistency for consistency's sake? ;)
"Mens sana in corpore sano"


Garbon said:
Actually I have the graphic that was used for the Timbuktu base shield, but it was rejected by Axin for a reason, that I don't know.
If you think it is more accurate, post it
 
After the requests, here is the list of non solved "problems":

DAK Champassak (shield only and only blue color and flag based on Base)
BAN Timbuktu Base same as Deluxe or better idea?
MIN Mazovia (shield only and flag based on Base)
POM Pomerania (shield only)
U18 Yemen (both)
U23 Ormuz (both)
U24 Al-Haasa (both only red color for shields but flags...)
U28 Bahrain (both)

Really needed in AGCEEP folder?
CAN Candar => Deluxe same as EGUFSM
TYR Tyrol => Deluxe same as EGUFSM
STT Stettin => Deluxe same as EGUFSM but flag in AGCEEP is the modern one, according to Birger

For PolUnion, is standard Polish flag (red and white vertical stripes) accurate?
EDIT: Birger gave the answer to this question, flag included in napoleon.rar is accurate.
 
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Another round! Differencies between EGUFSM 1.1 and Standard EU2.

I noticed big differences between Birger's work and original for countries included in AGCEEP (others don't matter...). Since AGCEEP maintains both versions, the question is: what is the best?

Ak Koyunlu:

shield_AKK.bmp
(good symbol but...)

shield_AKK.bmp


Ashanti:

shield_ASH.bmp
(late)

shield_ASH.bmp


Duchy of Athens:

shield_ATH.bmp
(good)

shield_ATH.bmp
(wrong)

Aztec Empire:

shield_AZT.bmp


shield_AZT.bmp


Bourbonnais:

shield_BOU.bmp


shield_BOU.bmp
 
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Part III

Teutonic Order:

shield_LAT.bmp
(good)

shield_LAT.bmp
(wrong - Grand Master only)

Mamluks:

shield_mam.bmp
(good)

shield_mam.bmp
(wrong but only to avoid confusion with Brunei - no change)

Mysore:

shield_MYS.bmp
(from Haydar `Alî only)

shield_MYS.bmp


Provence:

shield_PRO.bmp
(good in 1419)

shield_PRO.bmp
(Angevine - 1482? 1491?)

Qara Koyunlu:

shield_QAR.bmp
(good symbol but...)

shield_QAR.bmp
 
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Part V

Ottoman Empire:

shield_tur.bmp
(after the fall of Constantinople) (1)

shield_tur.bmp
(18th century)

Vijayanagar:

shield_VIJ.bmp
(good) (1)

shield_VIJ.bmp
(wrong)

Zapotecs:

shield_ZAP.bmp


shield_ZAP.bmp


Wales:

shield_WLS.bmp


shield_WLS.bmp


York (reserved):

shield_YOR.bmp


shield_YOR.bmp


(1) available in GRT for standard
 
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Ashanti

Birgers is late Ashanti ( I use flag change beginning with Osei Tutu )

Ak Koyunlu

Blue one is correct

Athens

Blue Lion is correct...other was used before 1419

Bourbannais

ribbon maintains fleurs to be correct

Iceland

the codfish are correct

FPR and FUC

interpretive call, the coats of arms came out of a thread on the subject a while ago...

Teutonic

The black cross...the other was the cross of the Grand Master

Mamluks

Plain Yellow...MKJ added Saldin's eagle on the other to differentiate it from Brunei

Catalan Map Image is prolly more accurate. ( Bottom of thread )

Mysore

I use a flag change..the top one was in use from Hayder Ali on

Provence

I use a flag change again...top one accurate for game's start

Qara Koyunlu

Top one

Trebizond

top one is Comemni arms

Tunisia

I use a flag change. Horse is for Hafsids.

Netherlands

Obviously the lion
 
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Ottomans

I use several flag changes for them. Bottom one is accurate for late 18th Century on. Top one is accurate for after capture of Constantinople.

Vijayanagar

Top is accurate.Personal seal of Vijayanagar kings.



All the others i know little
 
Thanks Khephren for your quick answer. What do you mean by "I use a flag change"? Do you have other flags not included in EGUFSM? Is it possible to share them?

I know some CoAs are obvious but I wanted to show the mess... ;)
 
YodaMaster said:
Thanks Khephren for your quick answer. What do you mean by "I use a flag change"? Do you have other flags not included in EGUFSM? Is it possible to share them?

I know some CoAs are obvious but I wanted to show the mess... ;)

Yes..But I only have standard ( Old School :p )