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I resent the statement that the CC HQ is harder to enter then crossing the South/North Korean border. I wish to make it clear that any forces under the command of myself are solely for the personal security of the CC members, several of which have been threatend with violence in the past.

I call for the dropping of any discussion on making private security forces unlawful. With the existence of the revolutionary movement that is finded by the ESRP the right wing parties must be allowed to defend themselves. Do not take away our rights for safety while ignoring the ESRP support for terrorists. That would be hypocracy in its worst form.

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I will not drop this discussion, Minister Hartwell, although I am prepared to consider your accusations towards the ESRP as well.

I believe it is imperative that the proper institutions maintain law and order in this country, and will do everything in my power to prevent our nation from turning into a state where a gun determines right and wrong.

I would like to inquire about your motives to call for my ceasing this discussion, Minister Hartwell.

Sincerely,

Sebastian Fitzpatrick
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Lt. Hartwell,

Despite what you think, I have only the safety of Eutopia's democratic system in mind. Imagine a nation where all political parties have armed militias at their disposal. This will lead to a civil war. If you have the interests of Eutopians in mind, you will see this. I"m not saying your HQ shouldn't be guarded. But one or two policemen should suffice.

And drop the ESRP-supports-terrrorism rhetoric; it's getting stale.

Mr. Fitzpatrick, thanks for picking up on my idea. We should try to work together and get MP support and draft it into law.

Thanks
 

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Er..my motives?

*ring, ring*

Escuse me.

"Hello, Um Colonel this isn't a good time. No I don't know where you should store the CSF badges. How much space would 3000 badges take anyway? I don't care put them with the other er... crates. Goodbye Colonel"

I'm sorry Mr. Fitzpatrick what was that.:D
 

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The question, Minister Hartwell, was very simple:

Why do you so adamantly oppose even the mere thought of legislation to prohibit private militias?
 

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Oh, right. Security forces is fine. I was worried about a militia.

So you're talking like, 10 guys, with side arms, right?
 

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Originally posted by Josephus I
Oh, right. Security forces is fine. I was worried about a militia.

So you're talking like, 10 guys, with side arms, right?

That sounds entirely reasonable.

I cannot protest against a minimum of personal security for high-ranking officials, but the line between private security and dangerous militia is sometimes thin.
 

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Yes...Yes... 10 guys with side arms? and what exacctly are they supposed to protect? A tin shed and a few sheep. Lets be realistic shall we.

I notice that some people are concerned over CC plans to expand our security forces. That is absolute rubbish we are planning no such changes.:)

We are froming a club for miltary enthausits (sp I'm tired and cant think staright) who will participate in training drills and paint ball scenarios. It will be a mock army kinda like that of Peter the Greats Premonoskoe Guards.
 

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Robert, you officially have my consent to agree with the American deal.

Regarding the trial, I'd like it held as soon as possible. First off, it gives the French less time to plot something, second, it gets this out of the way faster.

(phone call)

Mr. President,

I have received what the French are submitting as evidence and am returning immediately. In addition to my own inspection, I ask that you have experts available for investigation and review of these materials to confirm their authenticity and to provide independent interpretation of the information.

If you could, with the absence of Minister Harding, please confer with Attorney General Bogle about the next steps for moving forward with a trial.

I'll be back on the island soon, to brief you in more detail.

Jack Teano
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Originally posted by Josephus I
Mr. President.

I'd like to bring your attention to an anxiety of mine.

I am worried that Eutopia, a modern, westernized nation is about to become the next Lebanon or Rwanda.

I am specifially referring to the ease with which we are able to arm private citizens and the formation of private militias.

For example, entering the CC headquarters is tougher than crossing North/South Korean borders.

We have a State-owned armaments dealer willing to supply security forces (really, private citizens) with high-grade superior weapons. I think first and formeost we should only allow this company to sell only to state enterprises (military/police). Private security guards should not be armed with anything other than a sidearm. [even that, I think is too much].

I think we should also pass a law banning private militias and look into gun/weapon ownership restrictions. Do we really need citizens walking around with SAMs

Also, rather than praising vigilantism (the Wlaks) we should condone it. We should not allow citizens to take the law in their own hands. This is a dangerous situation.

I look forward to hearing comments from the governmetn and the president.

What a flight back from France! I'd hate to have to make it everyday....

It sounds then like this issue has been resolved in my absence? (OOC: with GM rulings?)

My only comment is in reference to the escalating level of violence on the island, and that is we have already seen that the existing terrorists have been able to illegally smuggle arms onto this island, arms that were used in an attempted bank robbery.

Laws "outlawing" private militias and specific arms will obviously have no impact on these groups, as they have little regard for the law right now.

While two wrongs do not make a right, and I am not suggesting that in any way, it is interesting to note that despite this spritied discussion about the Wlaks and political party security there hasn't been this kind of effort or interest in curbing the actions of the revolutionaries who are actively destroying property, who have killed, and but for the independent actions of others would have killed again.

Mr. Fitzpatrick and Mr. Josephus, knowing the strong commitment both of you have to preserving civil rights and personal freedoms, perhaps you would volunteer to help craft an anti-terrorism proposal that would combat the revolutionary behavior but that would not turn us into a police state nor leave private citizens with no options but vigilantism in their defense?

Again, please be clear that I am in no way supporting private groups wielding anti-aircraft missles or depleted-uranium armored tanks. I simply think that rather than attacking misguided solutions to the problem our efforts should be focused on finding a BETTER solution to the problem: politically motivated violence aimed at our citizens and government.

Jack Teano
 

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Rev. Teano,

If the minister is interested in chairing an anti-terrorism committee then I would love to participate in this.
 

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Ah, but the ministry this would fall under, MHA, is now vacant.

We don't necessarily need a governmental committee recommendation for a proposal. I would just like to see some of this debate turned toward what I think is the larger problem.

I have been soliciting input into this subject for a while and believe we can discuss this though our Coalition's legislative discussion group and would encourage your participation there.

With the (how do I put this politely) "opportunity presented to us by the (ahem) fortuitous free time available in parliament" now would be a perfect time to consider such a proposal.
 

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Although I will not be able to participate in parliament in person, I am confident that Mr. Murmurandus would support a decent anti-terrorism bill.
 

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Mr. President,

I have returned from France and have completed my investigation into the French Fishing Crisis. I have a report to deliver to you and I would like to know what you think is the appropriate next step.

We know that we must have a trial.

However, there are several things that I think you need to be aware of before we go to trial.

Should we have a closed-door meeting with you and the relevant ministers and advisors? Do we need to have a closed-door address to the parliament to review the information and decide upon our next course of action?

I am unsure the best way to proceed. This is a sensitive subject and I would like us to have a strategy for handling it that will build support for a common solution rather than dividing the government.

Sincerely,

Jack Teano
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I would propose we hold a closed door meeting with you, myself, the MDIA and MHA (I am going to be appointing one), Deputy Minister Vercogz, the Attorney General, and Vice President Fitzpatrick. Then we could decide on the best possible course of action.
 

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Originally posted by Phalanx
I would propose we hold a closed door meeting with you, myself, the MDIA and MHA (I am going to be appointing one), Deputy Minister Vercogz, the Attorney General, and Vice President Fitzpatrick. Then we could decide on the best possible course of action.

Okay, I will set it up. This should prove to be interesting.
 

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New MHA

To take effect immediately as of the twenty-first of May, in standing with the pre-election CPR agreements, Timothy Wellesford of the Moderate Party will replace D. Yuber Harding as Minister of Home Affairs.

Thank you for your attention
 

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Mr. President,

At the urging of Rev. Teano, I decided to act on my responsibility as Minister of Trade to ban the import of Canadian beef. I have also asked Eutopian industries to destroy their current holding of Canadian beef and that we will reimburse them for these losses. I have also extended this ban to Canadian cattle feed.

The import of Canadian beef is fairly small, and I am confident the risk to our safety is minimal. However, I decided that even a small risk is to great.

I am hopeful the President supports this decision.