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If you are an administrative/feudal monarchy, what government types do you need to pick to eventually go on to become a Republic? And what government type would you suggest for a large sprawling empire (or atleast an average-France/Castille-sized-nation, not some merchant haven or crusader state) that needs decent leaders controlling the country?
 

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I think you have to pick noble republic.From there you can switch to adminstrative republic or repulican dictatorship.

If you want good rulers your best bet is adminstrative republic. You can get rid of leaders every four years.
Republic Dictatorship gives you the imperialism CB,though. And it has no slider restrictions But sometimes your stuck with a real poor leader.

If that happens led him lead your armies:laugh:
 

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I think you have to pick noble republic.From there you can switch to adminstrative republic or repulican dictatorship.

If you want good rulers your best bet is adminstrative republic. You can get rid of leaders every four years.
Republic Dictatorship gives you the imperialism CB,though. And it has no slider restrictions But sometimes your stuck with a real poor leader.

If that happens led him lead your armies:laugh:
Administrative monarchy can also be immediately changed to an administrative republic. The only requirement is that you do not lead any PUs, as that makes it impossible to change into a republic.
 

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Administrative monarchy can also be immediately changed to an administrative republic. The only requirement is that you do not lead any PUs, as that makes it impossible to change into a republic.

Oh right, so I guess republic also prevents royal marriages... wasn't there some sort of option (was it demand annexation or offer vassalization or whatever it was) that required a royal marriage or I'm wrong on this one? And if there is, how does it work with republic?

And legitimacy always stays at 100 for republics, right?
 

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Republics don't have legitimacy - it's the same as always being at 50 legitimacy.

A Noble Republic can have royal marriages and even PUs. You need to marry a country to offer it's vassalisation.
 

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Oh right, so I guess republic also prevents royal marriages... wasn't there some sort of option (was it demand annexation or offer vassalization or whatever it was) that required a royal marriage or I'm wrong on this one? And if there is, how does it work with republic?

And legitimacy always stays at 100 for republics, right?

Almost, but not quite. Noble republics can make marriages, but can't get or have PUs due to the lack of a dynasty. The other republics cannot, but in exchange have several other advantages.
The lack of a royal marriage, as you point out, is that you can't offer vassalization - but you can annex vassals you already have or gain by force.

Legitimacy doesn't exist for republics, so thrones can't be claimed and it gives neither bonuses nor penalties. Due to that, all republics have +1 tolerance to heretics and heathens - an effect monarchies gain by having 100 legitimacy instead.
 

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Imperialism isn't really a very good CB though.

Constitutional Republic+Revolution and Counter-Revolution=Revolutionary War against most of the map, not to mention +20% Production.
 

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Yeah R/CR is the best CB in the game. It is like Holy War but with everyone. Just go Republican Dictatorship, eat the republics with Imperialism CB and then go nuts on the monarchies and theocracies with R/CR in the late game. You can even switch to an Administrative Republic to get elections back at this point.

Imperialism isn't great for pure expansion (though is the best you are likely to get mid game). It is fantastic being able to declare war at will though. Not all wars are about the seizure of clay.
 

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So a Constitutional Republic has all the election stuff and whatnot? I've never played a republic, so I don't know how the elections work, but I've been told you can never have a bad King/Queen while playing one, how's that?
 

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So a Constitutional Republic has all the election stuff and whatnot? I've never played a republic, so I don't know how the elections work, but I've been told you can never have a bad King/Queen while playing one, how's that?
Every 4 (or 8 for Noble Republic) years there is an election where you can choose between an admin ruler, a diplo ruler, a military ruler or keep the ruler you had before the election. The ruler stats are somewhat random.
Actually you can have a bad ruler, but it's very rare and you can change him 4 years later... Once I started to play Republics, I realized I can do very well without Royal Marriages...
 

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Unless you want mass cheap conquest, Constitutional Monarchy gives an absolutely absurd amount of magistrates, is available fairly early (compared to its magistrate yield), and in situations where prestige matters (read: multiplayer) it does that too.