Government in Ukraine

[Chicken]

Pretty simple, just something I've always wondered...

Any time Ukraine pops up, they form as a Tribal Despotism, or Tribal (whatever else). Is there a reason for this? Not a gamebreaker, but it certainly hurts them, and it doesn't seem right that when Lithuania breaks down, Smolensk and Pskov can rise to prominence, but not Ukraine.

 

[Vladislav]

I've also been curious about this. I've tried looking in the history files and country files, but I haven't found anything that would determine the government of a newly-emerged country.

 

[Garak]

I think Ukraine is a tribal government by default in the history files, but I don't if that matters. Maybe if a country hasn't existed yet, it defaults to its history file government if it declares independence on its own?

 

[Astro-Boy]

When the Golden Horde demands that Ukraine be released, it is released as the same government type as the Golden Horde, no?

If you release Ukraine as a vassal, it is a feudal monarchy.

 

[PanzerWilly]

When the Golden Horde demands that Ukraine be released, it is released as the same government type as the Golden Horde, no?

If you release Ukraine as a vassal, it is a feudal monarchy.

But Persia is always a theocracy and none of the other Muslim countries in the area are theocracies.

 

[unmerged(25822)]

I think Ukraine is a tribal government by default in the history files, but I don't if that matters

Yes it does , change it to something else and see what happens .

 

[citybug]

When the Golden Horde demands that Ukraine be released, it is released as the same government type as the Golden Horde, no?

If you release Ukraine as a vassal, it is a feudal monarchy.

Nope, doesn't happen. In a crazy campaign I am currently playing as a Reformed France, I made major inroads in Eastern Europe. I conquered the Crimea, Ruthenia, and the modern day southern Poland and Northern Ukraine areas. I rebuilt the area, converted them, and decided to release them as vassals as the revolt risk was becoming too much of a pain. They became apart of the Reformed faith; however, they were still Tribal Despotism while my government was Revolutionary Republic. I had to break the vassalage off, declare war, and vassalize via peace to change their government.

 

[citybug]

I also have to say, I am looking for how to fix this as I want to play a Ukraine game (as I am part Ukrainian and want to play a game where Ukraine becomes a massive power and have a power struggle against the Russians) without having to deal with the tribal element as such a state should not be even dealing with this quality. Anyone have a clue as to fix this in the code?

 

[ZechsMerquise73]

I've seen rebels form Ukraine as a monarchy. But then, I've seen them before as a tribal democracy, too. I think it has somewhat of a random factor, as sometimes when I release a nation it has my government type, and sometimes it has a default government type.

 

[Trin Tragula]

Ukraine should be a tribal nation. It's there to represent the many Ukrainian cossack liberation movements surely?
As far as I know this is the only form Ukrainian independence took during the EU3 time frame (but I am far from an expert on the area, still chances are this is how paradox reasoned as well when making the history file).

 

[sprites]

well with my bysantium game i've released ukraine as a vassal , i'll check later what government they have ^^
if they are tribal , and it is around 1500 they should be not that far from modernizing

 

[Garak]

well with my bysantium game i've released ukraine as a vassal , i'll check later what government they have ^^
if they are tribal , and it is around 1500 they should be not that far from modernizing

In my experience, vassals rarely modernize or westernize.

 

[unmerged(150720)]

I think it's strange they decided to make Ukraine a tribal despotism, instead of making them a despotic monarchy. I modded it to be despotic monarchy to see if Ukraine ever will get any power.

 

[sprites]

i don't care if they westernize ... (but i loaded as them , with their sliders they will fall in tech ... as long as they assist me in wars they'll do their job)
well i'll just edit them do despotic monarchy , i think an emperor should give the power to some man and not some tribe system ^^
with the 8 provinces i gave them (with few cores) i expect them to at least hold their lines the time my armies arrive to the front lines

 

[Cardinal Ape]

In my current game the Protestant reformation started in Ukraine. I think I force converted them to catholic before hand. But they are still ruled by a tribal despotism. Kinda strange.

 

[Garak]

I see no problem editing the save file in a case like this. Seems to me you could set up power in a released vassal any way you like.