Government changing idiocy(why do I have no control?)

[heroforhirerob]

Title says it all. I'm playing The Ottoman Empire and things are going just fine. I have a ton of cash...a good military and #3 Great power status. Suddenly in the 1880's, Young Turks take over my government and everything tanks. I'm about to go bankrupt(despite having one million in cash saved up), I can't build anything, I can't stop anything from being built, all my factories are going broke and I can't switch to another government. This is pretty frustrating and a totally unfun mechanic if you ask me. I'm about to rage quit as I don't like having no options. What's going on here?

 

[chrism2012]

Young Turks are the liberal party of the OE, their economic system is laissez_faire meaning you can't build factories and also can't control factory builds by capitalists (only set a focus for specific types which usually doesn't go well). The laissez_faire system is known to dive quickly if the basic economy stats are not set for the system.

Since you seem to be in HMS government type already (you can't change your ruling party) your best option might be to set loyalty focuses (foci) in multiple provinces on a different party (conservatives, reactionaries...don't know which ruling one you had before), so that they get elected again (or load a save game before the liberal change and try this).

Btw, there seems to be no specific OE event that changes the party to Liberals.

 

[Ivashanko]

Unless this is because of a bug, the truth is that you've had control over small decisions that over the decades have lead to the Young Turks taking power.

You have a few options:
Help build the conditions that will lead to a revolution
Mod the game files so the YT have an economic policy that you like playing with more (I've done this before when a party that supports complete central control comes to power. I hate, hate, hate always having to micromanage everything).
That and build other parties support so they'll win a future election

 

[Woifee]

Since you seem to be in HMS government type already (you can't change your ruling party)

I’m quite sure HMS allowes you to switch ruling party once a year.

https://vic2.paradoxwikis.com/Government_types

 

[chrism2012]

I’m quite sure HMS allowes you to switch ruling party once a year.

https://vic2.paradoxwikis.com/Government_types

Thanks for the info but in my games as Austria (monarchy) I could never change the ruling party again, once the HMS government system had been established.

Or do you mean a new call for elections? That is possible, changing the ruling party however is not.

I will look into it specifically the next time (maybe v3.04 did change it or I didn't pay enough attention).

 

[Woifee]

I mostly play Austria and I always go for HMS and I always can change ruling party once a year. I’ll bett my left ball it works. Also the link I gave says it works.

 

[chrism2012]

I mostly play Austria and I always go for HMS and I always can change ruling party once a year. I’ll bett my left ball it works. Also the link I gave says it works.

I've just checked with UK (HMS constitutional monarchy) as test: not possible: "Our government form does not allow us to appoint ruling parties..."

EDIT: However, you're right as in governments.txt the appointing of ruling parties for HMS is set to yes, strange...I' ll try it later with Austria again.

EDIT2: Okay, my fault, you're right. Since I always play with various POP demand mods, it is not allowed to appoint the ruling party with HMS_government - which imo makes sense as it should be the "democratic" form of a monarchy. In vanilla however the ruling party can still be appointed...

 

[Wizard12]

One option is to repeatedly call elections and always pick election event options that boost pops attraction to an economic policy you like. Don't know how well that works in vanilla though, haven't played in a while.

The better option is to engineer you population from the beginning of the game. To keep pops conservative I believe you want to keep CON low. The best way to do that is by focusing clergy up to 4% (clergy give CON reduction IIRC). Beware though: clergy like to turn liberal themselves so watch out for events that turn clergy liberal, ect.

Doing this I've managed to stay absolute monarchy as cental European powers. You will eventually have huge socialist revolts but hey, in the meantime, le etat c'est moi. Have fun appointing whatever party suits you best

 

[Woifee]

As Austria I always spam elections and motivate my people to become liberal and increase militancy. Always pushing reforms.

Then later socialists to get social reforms. I want my people to be free. No matter what.

 

[Thrake]

It's also just possible to reform by toying with suffrage movement, when support is strong enough, supress it and it will lead to an immediate growth for other movements, so it is still possible to pass reforms but since no one is asking for suffrage you can pass something else without angering anybody. Since people like so much suffrage movement, it builds back pretty quickly to be suppressed again.

 

[Tob.Ristlin]

Title says it all. I'm playing The Ottoman Empire and things are going just fine. I have a ton of cash...a good military and #3 Great power status. Suddenly in the 1880's, Young Turks take over my government and everything tanks. I'm about to go bankrupt(despite having one million in cash saved up), I can't build anything, I can't stop anything from being built, all my factories are going broke and I can't switch to another government. This is pretty frustrating and a totally unfun mechanic if you ask me. I'm about to rage quit as I don't like having no options. What's going on here?

Vicky II is partially a political simulator. Surely you can think of one or two recent examples of countries that collectively decide to shoot themselves in the foot.

 

[Orlov Kruskayev]

That's what you get for choosing to become a HM's government rather than an absolute kingdom.

The whole point of this frustration you're feeling is the constraints of democratic regimes.

 

[Gurkhal]

Title says it all. I'm playing The Ottoman Empire and things are going just fine. I have a ton of cash...a good military and #3 Great power status. Suddenly in the 1880's, Young Turks take over my government and everything tanks. I'm about to go bankrupt(despite having one million in cash saved up), I can't build anything, I can't stop anything from being built, all my factories are going broke and I can't switch to another government. This is pretty frustrating and a totally unfun mechanic if you ask me. I'm about to rage quit as I don't like having no options. What's going on here?

As mentioned before this is the curse of laiez faires (or however its spelled...) and what you get with Liberal parties (and some conservative as well...).

But do not quit but embrace you hate and rage and join with the dark side of Absolute Monarchy and Presidential Dictatorship.