Goverment changes

[Nikolai II]

Will it be possible to in some way (other than being couped upon) to change government type?

Between Commie/Fasci/Demos?

Or at least within the divider, between the mentioned sub-groups?

If I would want a SU Trotskist counter-revolution in '36, or if I really want to reinstate the german emperor in '38, or if I feel that Sweden would have to remove the king in '37 and go for presidential elections?

I won't mention examples of changing from Democracy to Fascist/Communist since I feel that option would be more far-fetched, but I still wonder if any of these options are in, or should be in?

 

[unmerged(255)]

From what I've understood (and my understanding could very well be flawed), the triangular diplomacy model will be influenced by the major worldpowers. Germany will be able to try and install a friendly, fascist government in Turkey for example---you raise a valid question however, will we (the players) be able to alter our own country's government type...I hope the answer is yes, provided that there are repurcussions (such as the risk of civil war, reduced economic output etc)

 

[Angelos]

Though i can give no responsible answer,i can say i hope it is possible to happen.What-if elements will be important to the game's durability.

 

[Nikolai II]

I know that they also say that you as america won't be able to join the axis or the comintern, which would preclude becoming one of these, but I still think that the smaller changes (if there is any difference between the three mentioned forms of government) should at least be possible, even if dissent-raising.

But I fear that all this will be left to editing, and that Spain's civil war will be event-run.

We shall have to wait and see I guess.

 

[unmerged(9422)]

I believe I read in one of the reviews that the Democracy nations will have elections for new leaders (Well, it said for the U.S., not sure of the others). The facist countries will only be able to change governments through revolutions, in which you choose sides in. I am not 100% sure of this though, but that's what I was aware of. I wonder if, for example, an Axis facist country revolts and become a democracy. Would they now be able to join the Allies?

Meiji-Tenno

 

[jacob-Lundgren]

i would hepe minor countries or politcaly unstable countries are able to change from type of govt to another. from democracy to facsist for example.

 

[Alexander Seil]

Originally posted by Meiji-Tenno
I believe I read in one of the reviews that the Democracy nations will have elections for new leaders (Well, it said for the U.S., not sure of the others). The facist countries will only be able to change governments through revolutions, in which you choose sides in. I am not 100% sure of this though, but that's what I was aware of. I wonder if, for example, an Axis facist country revolts and become a democracy. Would they now be able to join the Allies?

Meiji-Tenno

Well, when Romanian fascist regime collapsed in summer 1944, Romanian army simply went under command of the Red Army. Bulgaria simply switched sides in the middle of the fray without any regime change. BTW, pro-German neutral US isn't COMPLETELY implausible, especially if Germany doesn't throw its lot with Japanese. There were alot of business contacts between Germans and Americans prior to war afaik.

EDIT: Talking of side-switching, Yugoslavia almost became an Axis member, but I think they didn't because Prince Paul was removed from power after trying to reach agreement with the Germans. Don't quote me though, I am writing this from my poor memory.

 

[MacGregor]

Originally posted by Alexander Seil

EDIT: Talking of side-switching, Yugoslavia almost became an Axis member, but I think they didn't because Prince Paul was removed from power after trying to reach agreement with the Germans. Don't quote me though, I am writing this from my poor memory.

I'm doing this from memory and don't have the source handy, but IIRC Prince Paul indeed was close to an arraingment with Germany in the spring of 1941 until "Wild Bill" Donovan of the officially "neutral" US visited the country. Though, it's not entirely clear what happened in his clandestine meeting with Prince Paul, Yugoslav attitudes toward Germany hardened after this visit, royally pissing off Hitler who then had to divert forces to "invade" Yugoslavia contributing, some say, to a delay in his plans to invade Russia.

If this is true, I suspect that Donovan informed the Prince that eventually the US would throw in its lot with the UK and thus the spectre of a pan-Germanic Europe was not the foregone conclusion other circumstances seem to foretell. Of course, there could have been other "incentives."

 

[King]

Originally posted by MacGregor


I'm doing this from memory and don't have the source handy, but IIRC Prince Paul indeed was close to an arraingment with Germany in the spring of 1941 until "Wild Bill" Donovan of the officially "neutral" US visited the country. Though, it's not entirely clear what happened in his clandestine meeting with Prince Paul, Yugoslav attitudes toward Germany hardened after this visit, royally pissing off Hitler who then had to divert forces to "invade" Yugoslavia contributing, some say, to a delay in his plans to invade Russia.

If this is true, I suspect that Donovan informed the Prince that eventually the US would throw in its lot with the UK and thus the spectre of a pan-Germanic Europe was not the foregone conclusion other circumstances seem to foretell. Of course, there could have been other "incentives."

I could of sworn that it was Britian who sponsered a Coup that put a pro-allied Regime into power. What part Donovan played in this is a mystery to me.

 

[Ming]

Originally posted by King


I could of sworn that it was Britian who sponsered a Coup that put a pro-allied Regime into power. What part Donovan played in this is a mystery to me.

Indeed. In fact, IIRC, The Yugoslav Monarch actually went so far as to sign the Anti-Comitern pact.

An army sponsored coup removed him from office and installed a pro allied government.

 

[MacGregor]

Originally posted by King


I could of sworn that it was Britian who sponsered a Coup that put a pro-allied Regime into power. What part Donovan played in this is a mystery to me.

IIRC correctly the Brits were definately behind it. But the problem Churchill had was that no one believed it when the Brits said the US would eventually join the war (and it was dangerous for him to say it openly anyway for fear of harming FDRs position). It had to be an American with very close connections with the President, but one savvy enough to say it in such a way that the US public would never get wind of it considering the still strong isolationist sentiment there. Only one person fit that bill.

 

[Petrarca]

Government types: democracy, fascism, communism.
Fascist Faction:

National Socialist
Fascist
Paternal Authoritarian


Democratic Faction:

Liberal-Conservative
Centrist
Reformed Socialist


Communist Faction:

Left Wing Radical
Leninist
Stalinist

One would hope that one would be able to switch between the various types in each faction with various consequences- a democracy might easily change (with the election of a new gov't) while the radical factions would have a harder time. I am hard-pressed to find a difference between Paternal Authoritarian and Fascist, though. And one could only wonder at what could be possible in a non-Stalinist Russia (once the industrialization is done, of course ).

 

[Winkelried]

Originally posted by Alexander Seil


Well, when Romanian fascist regime collapsed in summer 1944, Romanian army simply went under command of the Red Army. Bulgaria simply switched sides in the middle of the fray without any regime change. BTW, pro-German neutral US isn't COMPLETELY implausible, especially if Germany doesn't throw its lot with Japanese. There were alot of business contacts between Germans and Americans prior to war afaik.

EDIT: Talking of side-switching, Yugoslavia almost became an Axis member, but I think they didn't because Prince Paul was removed from power after trying to reach agreement with the Germans. Don't quote me though, I am writing this from my poor memory.

Italy also switched sides from the Axis to the Allies no less. Mussolini was killed but did Italy also become a democracy right after that? Somehow things like that should be possible.

 

[vertinox]

Originally posted by Petrarca

I am hard-pressed to find a difference between Paternal Authoritarian and Fascist, though.

My guess is that Paternal Authoritarian is more like a government of Germany 1914-1918 with the Kaiser and the general... Or like Mannerheim in Finland...

With more or less not a revolutionary type of system but rather one that of the old aristocrat days...

 

[Petrarca]

Originally posted by vertinox


My guess is that Paternal Authoritarian is more like a government of Germany 1914-1918 with the Kaiser and the general... Or like Mannerheim in Finland...

With more or less not a revolutionary type of system but rather one that of the old aristocrat days...

A nice, autocratic dictator, eh? Like Metaxis...

 

[Ming]

Originally posted by Petrarca

A nice, autocratic dictator, eh? Like Metaxis...

Or Antonescu.

 

[unmerged(255)]

Originally posted by Ming


Or Antonescu.

Or M. Kemal Ataturk... oops did I say that?