Work up a plan for late March. I haven't decided to attack, I mean liberate Sweden but just in case. HJ Tulp, you are in charge of the operation.
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Work up a plan for late March. I haven't decided to attack, I mean liberate Sweden but just in case. HJ Tulp, you are in charge of the operation.
Torstor said:
To Obergefreiter Schultz:
Let me crush these bolshevik lies at once! There is total agreement among the high command and we are all brothers in this fight for the victory of the Riech. Be not disheartened by little red lies. We have not come this far to fail; we leave such idoicy to the French (
). Continue your brave fight and take not one step back, soldier. Hold like iron and forget the rumours, we stand ready to grab victory and a bright future for the people of Europa!Sincerly,
Wilhelm Rikard Annoucer, Riechsfurher and Minister of Propaganda
Herr Annoucer turned to his lovely blone secretary. "Hopefully, that will calm the old boy down, ja? This whole argument over Sweden thing could be an embarassment if it got out, Thankfully, Greven White smothered it like a baby in a crib." The secretary looks up at that comment with shock in her eyes. "Err... um... I mean smothered like a blanket over an acidental fire. Better?" The blonde nods her head in approval.
I approve of the plan to politely ask Generalissimo Franco to join our alliance and to immediately thereafter use his military to storm the Rock of Gibralter. As to the Turks, history has proven them not to be reliable allies without constant assistance from us. Therefore, I think, instead of making them part of the Axis, we should instead just ask them for military passage so that we can invade the Cacasus, the Levant, or Mesopotamia in the near future. It looks as if the debate on the Sweden operation is over and so I will not take any chance of adding fuel to that fire.
Generalissimo Franco to join our alliance and to immediately thereafter use his military to storm the Rock of Gibralter. As to the Turks, history has proven them not to be reliable allies without constant assistance from us. Therefore, I think, instead of making them part of the Axis, we should instead just ask them for military passage so that we can invade the Cacasus, the Levant, or Mesopotamia in the near future. It looks as if the debate on the Sweden operation is over and so I will not take any chance of adding fuel to that fire.
Excuse me, but instead of wasting divisions in Sweden, why don't we free Finland? I think that using the same amount of divisions that we would need for puppeting Sweden we could simply encircle the russians in Finland.
I don't know how many transport ships we have, but if we have enough we could exploit the weak russian position in Southern Finland, unloading one army group in Helsinki (attacking along the line Viipuri-Sortavala- Petrozavodsk-Segezia-Belomorsk) and another in Turku, aiming to Vaasa.
The divisions guarding the Iron line, with the help of an engineer leader and a bomber group could advance in front of the line. If we are fast in completing this we could encirle all the russians divisions in Finland in the middle of it and get them through starvation.
After Finland is secured we could puppet Sweden, without worrying about russian attacks.
I don't know how many transport ships we have, but if we have enough we could exploit the weak russian position in Southern Finland, unloading one army group in Helsinki (attacking along the line Viipuri-Sortavala- Petrozavodsk-Segezia-Belomorsk) and another in Turku, aiming to Vaasa.
The divisions guarding the Iron line, with the help of an engineer leader and a bomber group could advance in front of the line. If we are fast in completing this we could encirle all the russians divisions in Finland in the middle of it and get them through starvation.
After Finland is secured we could puppet Sweden, without worrying about russian attacks.
gorion83 said:
but all of this is still doable after taking Sweden. Then you will have more inf to send to the Iron Line and cover for your transport in the Baltics, although it should be impossible for the Allies to get through
FlyingDutchman said:
I can live with that. After all if we move the PzIV's now, we can liberate Sweden very quickly. Then Johan and the rest of Paradox won't have to suffer from a power blackout. The PzIV's should be fast enough to make up for the mechs. But we will still need 3-4 divisions to guard the taken provinces.
And maybe we should consider building a couple of transport planes though expensive and costly. With 4-6 paras we could make a few surprise attacks here and there. What does the rest of the cabinet suggest about his ?
gorino83 is right, do the thinks in the right order.
1. liberate finland
2. Annex Sweden) I'm against any Offensive in Sweden at the moment!
Bringing Spain into the alliance is an option we should think about, but it only makes sense if the have enough troops to defend what they have alone and the gain of Gibraltar will be minimal, if we don’t have Suez…
1. liberate finland
2. Annex Sweden) I'm against any Offensive in Sweden at the moment!
Bringing Spain into the alliance is an option we should think about, but it only makes sense if the have enough troops to defend what they have alone and the gain of Gibraltar will be minimal, if we don’t have Suez…
De_Genius said:
I love paratroopers. Let us build the transports for them. I am tried of seeing Kurt Student sitting in the cafes tiddling his thumbs and drink esperso!
I will draw up a plan as soon as my staff has arrived
Furthermore I think that air transports will be extremely usefull. For example they can be used to take the islands in the Meditteranian or be used in encircling.
Furthermore I think that air transports will be extremely usefull. For example they can be used to take the islands in the Meditteranian or be used in encircling.
kriegerpoet said:
Annex Sweden ?? We are talking about puppetting it in order to get their troops, navy and airforce. The liberation of Finland will be easier since we also have the swedish troops there, IF we do Sweden first.
I agree on Spain. But Gibraltar alone is important too. That way we will have no more landings in the Mediterranian
and all the transports will have to move around the Cape.
Wow, this thing has grown a lot sience I last checked in. Before I start to advise agian on scale of 1-10. That is with one being the worst how is the German postion?
Right now we have the forces and the opponents (or lack there of) to launch a offensive in Finland and maybe take Helsinki. However we will not be able to keep what we would gain and the only thing happening would be the total annexation of Finland into the Bolshevik Empire and the threatening of Norway. Liberating Finland is thus out of the question.De_Genius said:Annex Sweden ?? We are talking about puppetting it in order to get their troops, navy and airforce. The liberation of Finland will be easier since we also have the swedish troops there, IF we do Sweden first.
I agree on Spain. But Gibraltar alone is important too. That way we will have no more landings in the Mediterranian
May I remind our genial Armaments Minister that we would also have to take the Suez canal to seal of the Med? Offcourse closing the Gribraltar street would be a BIG help.
I would give our situation on my front a 8 and overall a 7.
The Propaganda Minister chimes in...
The situation of the Riech on the scale of 1 to 10 is 9.99! We are this close to taking Moscow and delivering Herr Stalin to der Furhur in a cage. We have destoryed the Red Airforce, thrown back the invasion at Normany, are throwing back the invasion of Denmark, and we are about to destroy the majority of the Red army in two pockets. Nothing shall stop Europa from falling to its proper destiny and the war is as good as won. It is true!
ooc: I think I almost out did the Iraqi information minister there.
Welcome back Silver.
The situation of the Riech on the scale of 1 to 10 is 9.99! We are this close to taking Moscow and delivering Herr Stalin to der Furhur in a cage. We have destoryed the Red Airforce, thrown back the invasion at Normany, are throwing back the invasion of Denmark, and we are about to destroy the majority of the Red army in two pockets. Nothing shall stop Europa from falling to its proper destiny and the war is as good as won. It is true!
ooc: I think I almost out did the Iraqi information minister there.
Welcome back Silver.
HJ Tulp said:
I disagree. If we could have those transports for paratroopers we could take the line from Helsinki to Belomorsk in few days. With a group of 4-6 panzers or mech we could also take the line from Turku to Vaasa. If we time this well we could also take the provs in front of the Iron line in the same days. It would end with several russian divisions encircled before the Russians are able to react and we will need only to slow them with bombers while our panzers or mech finish them from Turku or Vaasa. This would free several division to be sent to defend the new line.
Primo, and then what? Our line would be shattered quite fast or we have to be extremely lucky.
Secundo, we don't have para transports.
Secundo, we don't have para transports.
GENTLEMEN!
Let us reach a compromise!
First we take out the soviet pocket in the Ukraine, THEN we decide wether we should advance further in the 'true' east front (I.E. Over byelorus and the remainder of the Ukraine) OR if we should open a second scandinavian front.
Let us reach a compromise!
First we take out the soviet pocket in the Ukraine, THEN we decide wether we should advance further in the 'true' east front (I.E. Over byelorus and the remainder of the Ukraine) OR if we should open a second scandinavian front.
That's exactly what I support, I will draw up a plan and then we decide upon it.Zuckergußgebäck said:
Indeed, but I hope this will be fixed soon if the budget allows.
Who knew Scandinavia would cause so much dissent among the high command and government officials. Other than the hot women
, I see no reason for it to be the focus of so much attention right now. The Russian front deserves our focus so that we can destory the Red Army and drive Bolshevism away from our borders! If there is a secondary front I would like to see opened right now, it would be either Girbralter (once Spain joins the Axis and we take control of their military) or the Caucasus and the rich oil fields there in (once we get mil access via Turkey and a good force that can fight in the mountains). I know Gonzo is going crazy with boredom but the Riech must have its priorities straight. Understood people?
Just wondering why "liberate Sweden" with so many fronts already active. Other than that try to take out the Soviet pocets.
sliver legion said:
Because:
1) They have a hecklot of steel, and we want it(I´ll have that)
2) They have a reasonable army(we need that)
The Swedish campaign isn't ment as a second front, it's ment as a quick charge to get Sweden on our side. Gribraltar can be done by the Spanish, invading the Caucasus would need a large amount of forces while the Swedish Campaign would need only 6 mechs or alike for a limited amount of time.Elias Tarfarius said:Indeed, but I hope this will be fixed soon if the budget allows.
Who knew Scandinavia would cause so much dissent among the high command and government officials. Other than the hot women
Btw, it would still take over a hunderd days until the Air Transports are ready.