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Meh, in the end of the day Steam makes a lot of things easier for developers. AFAIK PI were aiming at one universal patch (to be delivered by Steam), instead of dealing with plethora of digital distributors and their specific patching systems. The Steam-free GG version is the result of community backlash and IIRC was not originally intended to be. Some credit where it is due, PI went out of their way to have a non-Steam version.

Im so used to Paradoxes start up interface where you can just check for update, and download/install patches. Also having the drop down mod list. To have it on Steam is just, crazy. Im very Anti-Steam. :p
 

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Going to get the Gamersgate version. The Steam autopatching annoys me. Sometimes when you select do not patch it will patch anyways. Have had many a campaign ruined by that in other games played on Steam.
Steam is hardly perfect, I personally prefer GG, as it is simpler to get stuff and my dl speed is progressively better. However Steam is a whole suite with stuff that dev studios may need, while GG and many other digital distributors are closer to a file hosting service. In the end Steam is the elephant in the room and is natural for devs to focus on their major market. Also as PI games do not use Steamworks DRM, one should be able to play with Steam off (just running the launcher from the install folder), meaning PI would use Steam mostly as a patching service.

Im so used to Paradoxes start up interface where you can just check for update, and download/install patches. Also having the drop down mod list. To have it on Steam is just, crazy. Im very Anti-Steam. :p
AFAIK there were problems on Impulse(GS Now) and on steam. I think it worked on GG and hardcopy versions. Different patches should be tested at least a bit, also someone should check whether the patch has reached mainline and deal with angry customers who expect their patch to come in a timely manner. It is only natural for PI (and other devs as well), to try to streamline patching and focus on their core business (which is game development and patching, not patch porting and distribution).
 

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I wholeheartedly proclaim my gratitude for the non-Steam version.

I feel like I am mad sometimes due to everyone singing Steam's praises while I cannot find a single good thing about it, instead seeing it as a hive of annoyances, limitations and needless complications.

I will dance the jubilant dance when Steam, as well as other "content managing applications" meet their much deserved end.
 

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IDK, I haven't had a single problem with steam in years, it works perfectly fine for me.
 

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I wholeheartedly proclaim my gratitude for the non-Steam version.

I feel like I am mad sometimes due to everyone singing Steam's praises while I cannot find a single good thing about it, instead seeing it as a hive of annoyances, limitations and needless complications.

I will dance the jubilant dance when Steam, as well as other "content managing applications" meet their much deserved end.

Same I hate steam but it won't end.. At one point we can't go around it. Look at EA with its Origin..
 

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GG is not yet allowing download but lists v1.02b of the game.
 

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Same I hate steam but it won't end.. At one point we can't go around it. Look at EA with its Origin..

Origin is terrible lol, Steam is light years ahead of it.
 

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I wholeheartedly proclaim my gratitude for the non-Steam version.

I feel like I am mad sometimes due to everyone singing Steam's praises while I cannot find a single good thing about it, instead seeing it as a hive of annoyances, limitations and needless complications.

I will dance the jubilant dance when Steam, as well as other "content managing applications" meet their much deserved end.

I can see every game i own, and install / delete them with a click whenever i want from the exact same screen i launch the games.
I can auto update every game as soon as the patch launches, or turn that off if i want.
Can see all my friends, what games they are playing. Invaluable to me as i often jump into games with them just because they are playing.
Can see all my game details, cd keys, how long ive played, my achievements.

Can receive messages ingame that do not intrude, but can also be easily viewed and responded to with the click of a button. Again invaluable to me.
Ingame browser to i dont have to alt tab (a good feature in some games, un necessary in others)

I can view thousands of games on sale and specials simply by clicking a tab, the collection of games is also MASSIVE.

Steam runs unbelievable specials, and all the time, i have bought games ive played for weeks for $5 or less, and packages of a dozen games for $40.



On the other side the negative thing about steam is ?
Ive never had an issue with it, it has never caused me a single problem or restriction.

Steam and "content managing applications" will never meet their end, they are for sure the future.

When Steam first came out, myself and my best mate used it. Now every single friend i have in real life that plays games, uses steam, and 90% of my online friends...

You are the minority, and increasingly so.
If you dont believe me, go into your local game store, look at the PC section, then turn around and look at the rest of the store which is CONSOLE GAMES.

Games like CK2 wouldnt get nearly as many customers without steam.
 

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STEAM TOP SELLING GAMES (13/02/2012)

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Damnit! I bought A Game of Thrones for full price when it came out!!!!!!!!!
 

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You are the minority, and increasingly so.
If you dont believe me, go into your local game store, look at the PC section, then turn around and look at the rest of the store which is CONSOLE GAMES.

Not sure if he was saying he prefers going into a game store to buy his games. He, like many, just prefer to buy and download games from online store's that don't force you to install 3rd party software and install in a certain folder. I myself dont have a big problem with Steam. But I do prefer Gamersgate.
 

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Damnit! I bought A Game of Thrones for full price when it came out!!!!!!!!!

I haven't exactly heard flattering things about that game also going past steam in sales.. pretty neat ;)


Honestly though, I can think of one swedish store that accually carries crusader kings in their shelves.


Admittely I could be wrong
 

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I can't stand Steam. I have spent maybe $300 in the past couple of years on Steam and now I have more games than I have time to play because of all those miserable Steam deals. Plus they limit me to installing the games unlimited times to unlimited computers, which really sucks, especially with Steam cloud syncing all of my game saves across all computers. Oh, and I also dislike how Steam takes up max resources, I just checked, it is eating a whopping 7kb of memory right now! I barely have room for other programs since there is only 7,993,000 kb of free memory remaining after Steamsourcehog gets done with it! The other thing I truly despise about Steam is how I can set it to offline mode and play my games offline (barring 3rd party crap like what Ubisoft uses on ALL releases). Everyone knows online mode = always better. Lastly, seeing what games my friends are playing, being able to connect to their games and have a crystal clear voip call going through Steam is absolutely maddening.

Yeah, Steam is a terrible, terrible program. It literally ties my hands behind my back with the largest online library of games found anywhere. It is just always getting in the way. I have to click a damn button to open it! A button in the year 2012!!! Can you believe that!?
 

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Only thing i hate about Steam is the auto patching and insistance that single player game has to be always updated - that and the fact that the do not patch option gets ignored by the auto updater.

Also I hate it when something goes wrong and instead of patching a game is downloads it from the start again, all 20gbs @.@
 

Xihu

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haha thanks.. it was a painful lesson to learn :p