Got played by AI (matrilineal marriage)

[Sam L]

Better be careful with this. I betrothed a family member (male) to the heiress of England (she only had sisters). It was not matrilineal. I was distracted when the marriage button came up and it was a matrilineal marriage. How annoying. It's because AI used to never change the betrothal to marriage. Now it can be very tricky. Ugh. That could've been my dynasty on the throne of England.

 

[Effixel]

Yes, when you receive the marriage message, always read it twice, because the AI will often try to trick you on it. He's a cunning bastard... Rather click on the "betrothed can marry" icon and uncheck the matrilinear box, and send the proposal yourself.

 

[Dankysh]

Whenever I get a male family member betrothed to a hair/ruler which isn't matrilineal the AI always sends me the matrilineal request. I've only started playing recently so I was able to not get caught out. However when I then go to manually do it then won't accept the non matrilineal marriage any more (even though it was betrothed & hasn't been broken). So then I have to break it unless I want them to continuously ask me the matrilineal and not have the family member married. Quite annoying.

 

[Hootieleece]

When the matrilinearal request comes.(an icon with face and shield) another betrothed can marry(two rings).Press the betrothed can marry icon.It will bring up diplomacy screen with ORIGINAL marriage contract.(if you had set up normal marriage contract, it will be there)Then press send.AI will always accept the original contract, even if it now wants matrilinearal.That is an exploit the Player can take advantage of with early betrothal.

OP:just pay a little more attention next time.......

 

[doubleskulls]

Yep - clicking the two rings is the way to go. I rarely had the AI decline regular marriage and I'm often betrothing younger sons to rulers or heiresses. Normally that happens if the succession has changed since the betrothal was made - so if all the sons die in the meantime, just by coincidence of course

 

[Dankysh]

When the matrilinearal request comes.(an icon with face and shield) another betrothed can marry(two rings).Press the betrothed can marry icon.It will bring up diplomacy screen with ORIGINAL marriage contract.(if you had set up normal marriage contract, it will be there)Then press send.AI will always accept the original contract, even if it now wants matrilinearal.That is an exploit the Player can take advantage of with early betrothal.

OP:just pay a little more attention next time.......

I don't get that. Regularly I have a normal betrothel or matrilineal betrothel only to find when they come of age for the AI not to accept it. Then send the opposite type to me and I then click the two rings, manually go to send the betrothel we originally agreed on and notice it is a 'no'. However they won't break it so I have to

 

[ziamatt]

This isn't new. I've always seen this happen when betrothing my sons to a woman of some importance.

I don't get that. Regularly I have a normal betrothel or matrilineal betrothel only to find when they come of age for the AI not to accept it. Then send the opposite type to me and I then click the two rings, manually go to send the betrothel we originally agreed on and notice it is a 'no'. However they won't break it so I have to

I've never seen this before though. What does it give for a reason? I've always seen it say yes even though the reason given is -- for base reluctance.

 

[Dankysh]

Hmmm trying to think of the exact reason. Maybe too high in succession or something like that. My most recent example was propose matrilineal betrothel with my eldest child (daugh) to a heir of a duchy --> accepted and then waited ---> both were required age so got pop up from AI to do a normal marriage --> I ignored and clicked on the two rings to send a matrilineal marriage manually. But it said no and I couldn't do anything about it.
Next time I'll be sure to see the exact reason why.

I have other example swith a normal betrothel set up with a 7 year old countess not accepted when they come of age and simply a yound kinsman betrothel to a heir of a duchy.

 

[ziamatt]

Hmmm trying to think of the exact reason. Maybe too high in succession or something like that. My most recent example was propose matrilineal betrothel with my eldest child (daugh) to a heir of a duchy --> accepted and then waited ---> both were required age so got pop up from AI to do a normal marriage --> I ignored and clicked on the two rings to send a matrilineal marriage manually. But it said no and I couldn't do anything about it.
Next time I'll be sure to see the exact reason why.

I have other example swith a normal betrothel set up with a 7 year old countess not accepted when they come of age and simply a yound kinsman betrothel to a heir of a duchy.

Maybe it's a new change? I've never had that happen and I've arranged betrothals with underaged duchesses and queens before.

 

[Dankysh]

Well I only got it last week so I've only ever played on the newest patch? So maybe it is, or maybe there is a set of special conditions were the AI can refuse the previously agreed betrothel or maybe there is something wrong with my install

 

[gornard]

I often get duped by the AI when they send marriage requests after a betrothal. As a general rule if it comes up with 'betrothed can marry' icon, i do it through that and just decline any messages the father of the bride/groom sends me.