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I see it the other way around: slow gradual reform is usually avaivable and superior to a revolution, but if the government is so set against reform that nothing will change their mind then it is no longer an option, doesn't make revolutions much better just the only choice apart from accepting the government's regime (an option in and of itself, for one thing while it set against reform now it might not be in 50 years with a new ruler). Peaceful reform is still avaivable for more than 98 % of the time.


What is the reformer you were thinking of?
I agree that gradual reform is superior to revolution but not more possible, simply because we humans have a romantic fascination with violence, and thus the idea of a violent revolution has a lot easier to gather support than gradual reforms, that said gradual reforms have accomplished more even with it's more limited support, just look at the accomplishments of social democracy compared to communist revolutions. The later has had a lot more resources and people backing it, but has achieved somewhere between nothing and making things worse, whilst the gradual reformists of the social democratic movement has actually done a lot with much less resources.

The state that Orwell was constantly warning against was the soviet union, and the reformer was Mikhail Gorbachev. Granted his attempts at reform caused the entire thing to come down, but I just said a reformer showed up not that he succeeded.
 

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I agree in a way, as I said revolutions are almost always an option (usually a bad option but an option nonethelesss) while peaceful reform may not be, if however people see revolution as a first resort rather than as a last then that is their problem. I like yoiur example by the way is it shows how much better gradual reform is.

Then that is part of my option three: wait until things improve. After all Gorbachev was not Stalin but a man that actually was open for reform who came later on. I just think that trying to go through with Gorbachev's reforms during Stalin's purges would not have beeen a goddd idea.
 

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I agree in a way, as I said revolutions are almost always an option (usually a bad option but an option nonethelesss) while peaceful reform may not be, if however people see revolution as a first resort rather than as a last then that is their problem. I like yoiur example by the way is it shows how much better gradual reform is.

Then that is part of my option three: wait until things improve. After all Gorbachev was not Stalin but a man that actually was open for reform who came later on. I just think that trying to go through with Gorbachev's reforms during Stalin's purges would not have beeen a goddd idea.
Well I'll admit that gradual reform may not be possible at any given time, but working towards it is, that is keeping quiet and trying to put yourself in a position where you may be able to change things should opportunity arrive. Continuing with the example of Gorbachev he probably did this, kept his head down and his ideas to himself, through much of his life.
 

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Yes, that is certainly an option.